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Old Aug 9, 2010 | 06:56 AM
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You guys see this posted on Rennlist?

"2012 Porsche 911 Carrera: Anchoring a revised lineup is a base S-model packing a downsized 3.4-liter version of the evergreen horizontally-opposed 6-cylinder powerplant. Despite less displacement, the 3.4 reportedly makes 350 horsepower, up five from the current base Carrera's 3.6-liter unit. Next comes a new Carrera RS, replacing today's S-model. It uses the same 3.8-liter engine, but with 15 horses added from 2009 tune to make a nice, round 400. Torque outputs slide a bit, down by eight lb-ft to 280 for the 3.4 and by 15 lb-ft to 295 for the 3.8. Even so, a substantial weight drop--at least 130 pounds by our reckoning--should yield slightly better acceleration times, plus better fuel economy and lower CO2 emissions. While it's still way too early for precise numbers, sources hint RS models will scale 0-60 mph in about four seconds. Improved agility and stability were major goals for the 2012 Porsche 911 Carrera, hence the new materials mix. Reports indicate a thorough chassis fettling to go along with it. Though suspension geometry apparently stays much the same, the front struts and rear multilink hardware are said to be reworked for less body motion and better cornering control.

Sources also expect bigger brakes with more stopping power. Another lengthy options list will again show heat-resistant carbon-ceramic brake rotors, plus 20-inch wheels as a new alternative to 18s and 19s. In addition, the next 911s switch from hydraulic to electrohydraulic steering, which saps a bit less engine power as a minor means to better mpg. Last but not least is a bevy of new aerodynamic aids that also aims to save gas and improve stability. The 2012 Porsche 911 Carrera will boast a racing-inspired "active aerodynamic" system. Dubbed Porsche Active Aero Balance (PAAB), it combines the usual speed-linked motorized rear spoiler with new front air-intake flaps that open or close as needed to manage airflow and drivetrain cooling, and a series of perforated air ducts in the wheel arches. Together, these features are supposed to suck the car closer to the pavement at most all speeds for less body motion, especially at the front, and improved stability at high speeds and in sudden throttle changes.

In addition, Porsche reportedly plans to replace traditional door mirrors with a pair of small TV cameras, this to reduce total air drag. A small screen at the base of each side of the windshield displays what lies behind. Though we've seen this feature on many futuristic concept vehicles, the 2012 Porsche 911 Carrera would be the first regular production car to offer it."

Supposedly from Autobild -

Do you think this is accurate?

 
Old Aug 9, 2010 | 07:34 AM
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Somewhat...

Having read every article every day my opinion would say this is somewhat true. I believe the aerodynamic bit and the horsepower numbers seem on par. The only way I believe they would lower torque numbers is if they lighten it...which also seems on par with the future.
Cameras? I would be surprised, but that would be quite cool! The next thing we'll have to get used to is sidemirrorless cars? At first that will look weird? but we'll all get used to it. At least it didnt say they will be flying cars yet.
 
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Originally Posted by Casey@TPCRacing
i hope they dont use the rs moniker. that is sacred.

I AGREE!!! RS means something dear to Porsche fans.

I also don't think it makes any sense to NOT have a base Carrera. For the base to be the S is kinda weird. Sorta like a restuarant that calls the smallest size of a drink a medium???? If it is the smallest . . . then it is a small!
 

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"base S model" seems like an oxymoron, like "standard deluxe model"
 
Old Aug 9, 2010 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Gpjli
"base S model" seems like an oxymoron, like "standard deluxe model"
^ This is what I was trying to say!!! Gpjli just said it much more succintly
 
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love it - only extra 15hp - that wont make me care to upgrade...surprised they arent increasing the the base and S moels by about 30hp...ill keep my 2010
 
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I have to agree Rob

if its only 15 HP more and not much faster I can deal with keeping my car and adding a boxster spyder
 
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+15hp - 130lbs =
 
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Wonder what the pricing will be like...

Seems to me like the marketing department has been hard at work. Base Carrera buyers are getting a car rebadged as the "S", and the "S" buyers are getting something rebadged as "Carrera RS".
 

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Originally Posted by Dave I
Wonder what the pricing will be like...

Seems to me like the marketing department been hard at work. Base Carrera buyers are getting a car rebadged as the "S", and the "S" buyers are getting something rebadged as "Carrera RS".
Yes. Better to raise prices with, my dear; Or maybe the info is just wrong.
 
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I say bring on the new car !!!!
I'll still keep my Turbo but might sell the 09 car (in 2011) if the new car's prelim reports start impressing me.
 
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Agree with the Base S model comments... That'd just make the rear livery all messy... "Carrera S" just doesn't need the S.
 
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Originally Posted by yrralis1
I say bring on the new car !!!!
I'll still keep my Turbo but might sell the 09 car (in 2011) if the new car's prelim reports start impressing me.
I with u on this one (though I already sold my turbo)
 
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