Lap Times Thread
#121
04-06-2008, 07:20 PM
I agree on having just street cars, we can always check results from GrandAm, American LeMans, IMSA, PCA, POC on-line, to have an idea on how fast these times are. Also, a Pro driver in a street car can't match the same pro driver in a race car.
The times shown by the GMG GT2 were done by a pro-driver (Sofronas). I think that those are a good reference of how capable a modified street car can be.
However, let's consider than modified Turbo cars have such an advantage, that even a pro-driver on a stock Turbo won't be able to keep up with an experienced DE driver with a modified Turbo.
996 Turbos alone are running in between 415 Hp and close to 900 Hp at the track (almost 500 Hp range). While normally aspirated Porsches have a closer range, with 1999 GT3 at 360 Hp to modified 997 GT3 at 420 Hp at most (just a 60 Hp range).
Even when comparing an almost 20 years old 911 like the 1989 911 Carrera 4 with a 3.6 and 247 Hp, the gap with the most powerful version of a 911 (normally aspirated) is 168 Hp, not even close to the 500 Hp difference among 996TT/GT2.
Power helps at those tracks with long straights, such as Lime Rock, Watkins Glen, Road America, Road Atlanta, California Speedway Roval, Buttonwillow, Willow Springs, Laguna Seca, Infineon, pretty much every track in U.S.
The times shown by the GMG GT2 were done by a pro-driver (Sofronas). I think that those are a good reference of how capable a modified street car can be.
However, let's consider than modified Turbo cars have such an advantage, that even a pro-driver on a stock Turbo won't be able to keep up with an experienced DE driver with a modified Turbo.
996 Turbos alone are running in between 415 Hp and close to 900 Hp at the track (almost 500 Hp range). While normally aspirated Porsches have a closer range, with 1999 GT3 at 360 Hp to modified 997 GT3 at 420 Hp at most (just a 60 Hp range).
Even when comparing an almost 20 years old 911 like the 1989 911 Carrera 4 with a 3.6 and 247 Hp, the gap with the most powerful version of a 911 (normally aspirated) is 168 Hp, not even close to the 500 Hp difference among 996TT/GT2.
Power helps at those tracks with long straights, such as Lime Rock, Watkins Glen, Road America, Road Atlanta, California Speedway Roval, Buttonwillow, Willow Springs, Laguna Seca, Infineon, pretty much every track in U.S.
Well if just street cars then only licensed cars that can (not have too) be driven legally to the track will count? That sounds good and levels things somewhat?
#122
04-07-2008, 03:31 PM
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hey, ever post that section from VIR?
Ran a 59.6 at Pocono running the North Course...first lap out, cold tires, 38 degrees...and then caught the back of the pack...that said, I have NO idea how NJ-Gt guy posted that 56.7 in a 996 gt3...thats pretty ridiculous...wouldnt mind the traqmate verification on that one!!!
Ran a 59.6 at Pocono running the North Course...first lap out, cold tires, 38 degrees...and then caught the back of the pack...that said, I have NO idea how NJ-Gt guy posted that 56.7 in a 996 gt3...thats pretty ridiculous...wouldnt mind the traqmate verification on that one!!!
The hoosier A6 are worth a couple seconds on their own over the R6, I know different cars as well, and verification is always welcome.
Sorry I've been procrastinating on posting those other VIR vids, I'll get them together.
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#123
04-07-2008, 03:52 PM
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On another note, the purpose of this thread is for us to see what our cars are capable of in different trims by different drivers at different tracks. While it's not a competition, the ego and such can and will make things difficult. We'll have to come up with a way to verify some times and information, I do know LOTS of people have the tendency to exhaggerate and take a second or three off of their actual elapsed lap time, or go by an estimate, that is not welcome here. At the very least a hand time with a verifiable source, but most preferred is verified times. In fact I'm going to differentiate the actual data times from the hands times even. Hand timers at least be able to tell us who timed you.
I know this can get out of hand so I'm trying to nip it in the bud quickly. I'd like to keep the cup cars and race cars in the equation because it's likely that some of us could end up driving them and we'll still want to be included with our accomplishments. But still no posting times for someone else. PERIOD!
Verified times are now in blue, I cant remember all the times and how they were gotten but most I put how it was taken by the name. From now on a time without a source gets ignored.
I know this can get out of hand so I'm trying to nip it in the bud quickly. I'd like to keep the cup cars and race cars in the equation because it's likely that some of us could end up driving them and we'll still want to be included with our accomplishments. But still no posting times for someone else. PERIOD!
Verified times are now in blue, I cant remember all the times and how they were gotten but most I put how it was taken by the name. From now on a time without a source gets ignored.
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04-07-2008, 03:53 PM
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Guys do we want to include forum members with other cars as well? I dont want a bunch of people coming here to just add their laps times, but dont mind at all if we add some others, but I wanted to ask first to make sure.
I think maybe a post minimum to make sure it's active members and not just guys posting times.
I think maybe a post minimum to make sure it's active members and not just guys posting times.
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04-07-2008, 04:14 PM
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Changed.
If no one objects in a couple of days I'm going to add active members times in other makes and models as well. And our guys that move on to different cars can give us an idea of the comparison.
100 post or 1 year + 50 post minimum to add time to the list.
If no one objects in a couple of days I'm going to add active members times in other makes and models as well. And our guys that move on to different cars can give us an idea of the comparison.
100 post or 1 year + 50 post minimum to add time to the list.
#128
04-07-2008, 04:19 PM
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Ok Martin.
BTW I forgot to add, videos are good as verification as well.
Adding these rules.
RULES:
- Time must be actually timed, no guesses or estimates.
- Driver must be an active member of 6speedonline (100 posts or 1year + 50 posts)
- Must be willing to supply data if applicable and the time is questioned BY ANYONE (for data times only)
- Times may be questioned by any active member. So save your data. (you go to the black list otherwise)
- Driver must submit their own time.
- All makes and models allowed.
BTW I forgot to add, videos are good as verification as well.
Adding these rules.
RULES:
- Time must be actually timed, no guesses or estimates.
- Driver must be an active member of 6speedonline (100 posts or 1year + 50 posts)
- Must be willing to supply data if applicable and the time is questioned BY ANYONE (for data times only)
- Times may be questioned by any active member. So save your data. (you go to the black list otherwise)
- Driver must submit their own time.
- All makes and models allowed.
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04-07-2008, 08:20 PM
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OH. either way, matt did not post those times I dont think so I'm removing them to keep the rules in tact. He has plenty of fast stuff to add when he's ready.
#132
04-07-2008, 08:36 PM
VIR via traqmate my best was a 2:11. I know that sucks and I could do much better but after you rip your front spliter off, you rip a little mojo off with it!!
How bout some Sebring times?? I will be running the NASA time trials this season. Seems like 2:30 or better is pretty good. Cups run I think in the 2 minute mid teens. Any of you guys with Sebring times?? My best there so far has been a 2:28 but I will be there with a traqmate and coach this weekend.
Wasnt following this thread initially cause thought all kinds of undocumented posers would just talk trash.........so how bout traqmate data or transponder data or race or time trial results other than posts like say the one below me (nothing personal TT Gasman) just an example of how anyone can say anything.
also for those of us not familar to a particular track some reference times would be helpful, ie to use the below Gasman post (sorry) I have no idea what our cars should run there so is the 2:05 the fastest time in the world or does it suck?
thanks
How bout some Sebring times?? I will be running the NASA time trials this season. Seems like 2:30 or better is pretty good. Cups run I think in the 2 minute mid teens. Any of you guys with Sebring times?? My best there so far has been a 2:28 but I will be there with a traqmate and coach this weekend.
Wasnt following this thread initially cause thought all kinds of undocumented posers would just talk trash.........so how bout traqmate data or transponder data or race or time trial results other than posts like say the one below me (nothing personal TT Gasman) just an example of how anyone can say anything.
also for those of us not familar to a particular track some reference times would be helpful, ie to use the below Gasman post (sorry) I have no idea what our cars should run there so is the 2:05 the fastest time in the world or does it suck?
thanks
Last edited by TT Gasman; 04-07-2008 at 08:41 PM.
#135
04-07-2008, 09:20 PM
hey, ever post that section from VIR?
Ran a 59.6 at Pocono running the North Course...first lap out, cold tires, 38 degrees...and then caught the back of the pack...that said, I have NO idea how NJ-Gt guy posted that 56.7 in a 996 gt3...thats pretty ridiculous...wouldnt mind the traqmate verification on that one!!!
Ran a 59.6 at Pocono running the North Course...first lap out, cold tires, 38 degrees...and then caught the back of the pack...that said, I have NO idea how NJ-Gt guy posted that 56.7 in a 996 gt3...thats pretty ridiculous...wouldnt mind the traqmate verification on that one!!!
The funny thing is that my right rear Moton broke the hose to the compression canister the day before during practice, so I ran with no compression/rebound on my right rear shock, as the piston was freely moving.
The A6 are 0.3 secs faster than the R6 at Pocono North. The MPSC about 0.8 second slower than A6 . The Toyo RA1 (my practice tire of choice) around 1.2 secs slower than the A6. The Michelin Slicks on S7 compound are about 0.5 secs faster than the A6.
With slicks and 4 good shocks, my car can hit 55s.
http://members.rennlist.com/nj_gt/20...rall_Score.pdf