I've heard the expression "someone has had too much to drink"

 

Microsoft must love you. I bet you were one of the first to line up outside your department store, for the Windows 7 upgrade.

It's funny seeing GTR guys trying to publicly reconcile the fact that they bought a GTR partly or wholly (come on admit it....it's the pink elephant in this thread ....) on the hype that it will be a 996tt/997tt killer, yet real life has not imitated art or marketing hype.

Then they rationalise that ...I could have bought 12.8 996tt's or 4.7 1/2 997tt's but I chose the GTR. And by the way, I can still spank the 996/997tt in the mile with my Hyabusa and I can murder it in the twisties with my Lotus but my GTR is my daily driver...

I bought my 996tt because for me, in 10 years time, it will still be a classic based on heritage, performance AND looks.The same cannot be said for the GTR, because, it will be....old Nissan technology.

Motor magazine (Aust) recently had a modded car shootout.Results: 997tt (1st..best 0-100km),997 GT2(2nd...best lap times on 2 different tracks), R32(3rd...scariest!!!) and GTR (best technology...4th!).

 

Yeah strong tea, let me demonstrate lack of my astuteness; Do you know that GTR weighing in at porky 1,740kg only manages 275bhp/per tonne. That is 3bhp more than bone stock 996TT? 996TTS or X50 manages 292bhp and any stage 2 996TT will produce 344bhp. Do I need to mention that 1540kg of 996TT is really pushing it weight-wise? 1740kg is actually a joke way beyond funny. And then people wonder why GTR ploughs on straight on the limit? Cos it’s a bloody freight train... ...
Ps. I am starting to enjoy this debate.

 

I think for the sake of comparing the two cars it should be stock vs. stock. Fair is fair. I love my Turbo but it took alot of money to get it to a point where I felt it was an exciting car to drive. The stock GTR feels a little numb to me as well but I wouldn't buy either a turbo or a GTR as a track car. Porsche makes a GT3 for that. I think both cars serve their purpose extremely well. Aesthetically there are going to be differences but that also comes with the price tag. The points of reliability and modability have been touched upon but the true reliability and tunability of the GTR is relatively unknown at this point. I have no doubt that as performance car reliability is measured the Turbo set the bar extremely high. I think it unfair at this point to say the GTR will not be reliable because it is unseen at this point.

Terminator my jabs are all in jest. I enjoy a debate as much as the next person but debating with a brick wall serves no purpose. If everyone keeps an open mind we all stand to learn something. The GT-R is an extrordinary vehicle which anyone would be lucky to own as are our Turbos. If every car was exactly the same life would be boring.

 

The GTR is a great performance car,but it's a shame that Nissan focused so much on the performance and not enough on trying to match the looks of the 996tt.

Now if Nissan could reskin the GTR in the body of an NSX...or even a 370Z, I'd be much more likely to own one....as a DD.

 

Terminator, I love how your defense consists of power to weight and stages of modifications, like the GT-R cannot be modded. Let me guess, your rebuttal will be: "the car's a porker and the trans. won't handle the extra power." I'm really starting to enjoy your debate.

I also love how weight is brought into the picture. The GT-R has two usable rear seats and trunk space. Instead it of jabbing the car for being a bit heavy, have you thought that there maybe is a reason for the weight? We all know the disadvantages of weight, but I highly doubt you know Nissan's reason for it.

 

I actually like the GT-R. I've tossed around the idea of getting one more than once.

I have a very good friend who has owned almost every new big-name sports and exotic car you can think of, no BS: Murci, Gallardo, 996TTs, 997TTs, 996 GT2, 1400 rwhp Vipers, 1200+ rwhp Supras, Ford GT, C6 Z06, C6 ZR1…..

You know what his favorite all-around car is? Yep…the GT-R. His opinion means a lot to me, so I looked into and finally drove one. I think for a daily driver, it’s probably one of the best cars around. But the exact things that he loves about the car (the technology, the ease in which it drives, the gizmos, etc..) are the exact things I didn’t like about it.

I have friends with their dealer’s licenses that could have gotten me a very low-mileage GT-R in the mid 60’s, and to be honest, I considered it. I looked at the cost of mods and the gains in performance and weighed these against getting another 996TT, 996 GT2, or 997TT.

I ended up choosing a 996 GT2, at a higher price than all of the others, mostly due to the reliability, simplicity, and feedback that I get from the car.

Anyway, it really is very subjective. I’m not thrilled about the overall reliability of the Nissan, but its performance abilities, especially considering its weight, simply can’t be denied. Although it's not the car for me, I do understand its appeal, and I definitely respect the decisions of those owners that chose to purchase one.

 

Subjective, true. I just came from a nicely modded 6-GT2. My new 2010 GT-R is growing on me-surprisingly. I think it's a better DD than the 2 or my previous 996TT. However, it's not as fun to drive as my 6-GT3. GTR is still definitely a fun car but just goes about it differently. The capabilities are amazing given it's specs. In the process of some minor enhancements. All good, just new experiences.

 

Thought I'd share and add something else to the mix. Remember Peter this is just for fun...lol...this is one hell of a collection of fine rides.

I predict this to be Peters next ride.



BTW...Is that a 997TT I see next to the Gallardo...?


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GT-R is gone and this followed me home...


I have been Vetteless for a couple of years now and it is nice to get back in the saddle again.

Got to take it out for a short drive last night and so far it is living up to my expectations. I hope to have a few better pictures of the ZR1 with it's stable mates this weekend.

Have to admit that I was not at all sad to see the GT-R go. It was fun for the first few hundred miles then it just began to feel like a soul less appliance. If you have one and you like it great but for me it was not a good fit.

 

I disagree, the cars can easily be compared as the OP questioned because frankly that's the dilemma that many people will find themselves in. Buy a 996 TT and mod it, or buy a GT-R and have less or no money left to mod, OR be too scared to mod because of the warranty issues. There are a number of people that have dropped 20k or more on new transmissions. It's a realistic situation.

And it's not like "oh I can mod my civic to beat your Ferrari" type argument, the 996 TT is every bit as well built (actually better) and with more pedigree to back it up. Not as many buttons or gadgets, but also not as many problems and inhibitions. I mean you still can't turn the VDC off in the GT-R without having looming warranty issues. It costs like a Ferrari to run it at the track. I'll give the GT-R better DD status, only because of a bigger trunk, but the ride is stiffer, clunkier and has more noises, not exactly what I call DD material. And heck we are talking about performance cars anyways so who cares about DD......

Some guys like simplicity with a purpose, some guys like lots of buttons and screens, that is a matter of opinion, and frankly will be a wash because you can't convince either camp the other is better.

A 996 TT with 10k in it can easily perform as well or better than a stock GT-R and even into the modded ones.

 

Hey, those food stamps had traces of gold in them!

 

Yea, Dez, but it really boils down to what people want. We're talking about people who clearly are interested in "NEW" vs. all the things you listed that the 996TT is.

My biggest complaints with the GTr have always been related to the reliability issues and the looks/design. I've seen the car in a few different colors and if I were to own one, it would have to be in black, as it's the only color that I feel masks the angles and edges that don't appeal to me.

From what I've been told, Nissan has a fix for the transmission. And if they can resolve that one issue alone, the other problems (Overheating and other hard driving related codes), they'll have a winner, even if it is a NISSAN, as you put it earlier. Although I agree it's no Porsche, I can't ignore the technology and the performance capability of this car off the show room floor. Comparing it to a 996TT, atleast five years older, isn't fair in my opinion.

It just isn't... Compare it to a 997TT. That's a FAIR comparison. Anyone asking these quesitons and wanting to compare it to the 996TT is having to justify (for financial reasons alone) why they would pay more for the Nissan, than a 2001-2005 Porsche. In the Short term, the Nissan will hold its' value. But in 5 years the Nissan will be worth at most what a clean, low miles modded 996TT is right now, if that. It's a Nissan and they typically don't hold their value well. Right now the 996TT is the absolute bargain of the century in supercar performance for under $55K in the used market. It's the howitzer in the knife fight.

And that just isn't fair!

Mike

 

Ben, Todd, I was more than open minded, in fact check out my initial postings. I just don't like it when others shove their cars assumed superiority down my throat, when I never asked for it. This is what many GTR owners do. Exceptions to all the open minded GTR owners out there. I think the car is an achievement and needs fine tuning.

What mike and HC said is spot on. You also have to factor the obscene weight of the car into the equation, not a good thing for continued hard driving, this is one point that gets overlooked a lot. Nearly a 1/4 ton heavier than a 996tt. Spend money on both and see which one can go around a track faster. and how long the components will last.

 

Just like fat guys and their bad knees? (no offense if you are one)

 

correction, just like fat guys that start out with good knees and end up with bad knees because of all that weight.