Interiors are subjective…Can you clarify what performance metrics that makes it miles ahead of 996 turbo? Miles ahead even when comparing stock vs stock is too strong especially when you are comparing a decade old technology to the latest and greatest from Japan. The fastest GTR with 800+ hp can trap only low 130. The fastest GTR can run the mile in the 190's. All of these feats can be achieved by a 996tt with just 600hp and will be bullet proof!

I have honestly given myself many chances to love the GTR, have had enough seat time by now….the appeal is not there…especially now it’s too slow for me compared to my modded 911. Maybe it’s because of my personal preference of 6 speed trans….just don’t like a heavy game boy like car.


I guess the only achievement GTR has is the ring #'s and that is the most widely debated topic. Either way you look at it the GTR needs loads and loads of HP to hide the weight and equal 911 performance. By adding all the hp ...it still has issues because of stress on other components (braking suspension etc..)/

 

nissan is an impressive machine and i would be happy to own one but i really dont like the interior at all

trying to argue that one car is better than the other could go on forever, no-one is going to to give up and suddenly concede that their car is inferior

the 'unstopable force vs the immovable object' saying springs to mind

cant believe how angry and pissed off people get about this, parts of this thread would be more at home in a 6 year olds playground argument except it would be bigwheel vs skateboard

 

See, you are speaking hypothetically. IF the GT-R had this/that, but the case is that stock for stock the GT-R is a quicker car. The question was of a 996t vs. a GT-R. As far as the interior goes, under what criteria are you judging. By features, the GT-R wins. By quality, it's obvious the Porsche is better. So, no sir, you obviously can't take it. WTF do you mean when you say JDM crowd? I respect cars regardless of origin.


Consistency is the name of the game here. Because of its gearbox, power delivery, and next to no loss in boost between shifts, it has a higher advantage in straight line acceleration. The AWD system is much more advanced no matter how you cut it; game boyish or not. In the end, though its about preference. I'm just throwing out the facts. Stock for stock, the GT-R is a better performing car.

 

That's my experience as well, and the overheating I saw was tranny fluid temps, shortly followed by a tranny failure. That was on a not-so-hot day either (high 70's.) Unfortunately he never came back to DE days, when two months later we ran when it was 108 ambient and 148 track temp. I was comfy in an A/C 996TT X50.

 

I think there are over 100 pages of this in multiple threads from last year... Peter, don't get into it with dez... he's got a plethora of scientific evidence accumulated from demolishing GTR fan boys from last year. HAHAH!!! I personally don't think the GTR is "fugly" and I think it's an impressive car... but... truth hurts... for the money, 996TT is a better value for the performance.

 

Taking into account foresight when it does come to modifications, reliability, maintenance, and durability I would agree with you.

 

see above

 

Why don't we just the results do the talking when i participate in the event agsint a gtr ? I'm very curious myself- and quiet frankly i do not think i will lose against a gtr As for interiors go.... the GTR is a joke in terms of quality in the interior- my best buddy has one and he rags on it to. There really isnt a comparison when it comes to quality between the two. Zero. Porsche >>>>>>> leaps and bounds over a Nissan. As whats faster at the track, we shall see

 

yes you are oneCRAZYf1driver

 

Holy crap, check out this similarity. GTR and Ford. F150 interiors. I think the F150 interior is nicer

 

Power to weight is only part of the story, although significant, it's not primary. You can't use that as an argument to whether a car is quicker or not anymore. As far as Peter goes, he's confrontational because he loves to race. You can't blame the guy for ruffling feathers. It's all friendly fun and to get upset about stupid hypothetical situations is dumb. As someone else said, let the results do the talking! He has to defend his car just like many of you have to because simply put, both camps are going off hearsay and web-based rumors.

 

I have no problem with him being confrontational so am I. But he gets offended when someone gives it right back to him and cries like a baby, "I'm not talking to you anymore"...lol. Not grown behavior

As for performance, the reason for it is the tranny, period. and that is fine. Porsche has gone to pdk as well and it will be hellaciously fast, but it takes the driver skill out. I don't think I will ever own a pdk/auto tranny, as I like the raw feel of a manual.

 

I honestly love these kind of threads, despite what they make everyone do. There is no reason for personal attacks regardless of the way you feel, and it's awesome that we have 2 cars like these to choose from as automotive enthusiasts.

To better explain Peter's perspective, I honestly think some of it comes from being a Supra owner. I owned MKIV Supras for many years and we truly became used to having to defend our Japanese supercars to just about anyone who wanted to tell us how they couldn't possibly compete with their Vette/Viper/Porsche, etc. It has only been in the last few years where the MKIV Supra has earned a fearsome reputation on the quarter mile and more recently mile competitions.

Regarding comparions these two cars, they are truly an apples to oranges comparison in my mind and, for anyone who has seat time in both, you'll probably agree that you're drawn to one more than the other (regardless of cost). I've been fortunate enough to drive 2 R35 GTR's at this point, and they are really awesome machines despite their size and weight.

These are just my opinions (obviously) but I'd compare them like this.

• For a daily driver, the GTR is superior

• For a "do-it-all" car, which includes commuting and spirited driving, I think the GTR has an edge

• For a fun weekend car, the 996TT is more engaging

• For a track car, the 996TT would be more affordable to operate...but I'm not sure which one would be better in that case

When driving an R35 GTR, you are amazed by how well it moves out despite all the known shortcomings. It truly amazes and impresses with how that transmission shifts and makes you realize that no matter how much you love to shift your 6MT car, you'll never be able to compete with that thing. It can go slow and extremely fast with little fuss. However, it's not as engaging a car to drive, at least not relative to the 996TT. The car feels like it's doing just about everything for you, but you're kind of left out of the experience. It's no surprise whatsoever to me that the video game generation likes the GTR because it honestly feels like you're playing a video game when you drive one.

I can almost guarantee one thing. Although both are amazing cars and offer incredibly high performance limits, I bet you'll be drawn to one or the other after you drive both. I've driven a lightly modified GTR back to back with my own reflashed 996TT and can say that my own car feels very slow in comparison. But, as most of us Porsche owners know, there is much more to the overall driving experience than just going fast. The Porsche gives you a great sensation of involvement...like you're part of the equation when it comes to going fast. The GTR is more like the car is telling you that it wants to show you what it can do.

Granted, before anyone gets themselves worked up, I probably have about 15 miles of seat time in a GTR and 5000 (and counting) miles in my 996TT. My point is mainly that they are amazingly different at the way they go about their business, and both cars should be celebrated.

Would I expect to find a bunch of GTR fans on a Porsche forum? Of course not. Would the reaction be opposite on a GTR forum? Absolutely.

 

Its a great car but not worth the money considering the performance it offers. Are you serious?

 

Yes I am . why is that surprising? It needs 800+ hp to equal my perfectly reliable 600 hp 996tt. Let me know when its ready to play ...i will consider one. I dont have to worry about breaking my transmission , limp modes and all the BS service costs and issues that come with the GTR.

Plus its still a porky nissan at the end of day!

Hell...when i raced my friends cobb tuned mid pipe exhaust GTR with my lowly k16/16g ...i left him by 4 cars...he never would want to race a 911 again. Yeah its very fast around the ring , but only that car and that specific driver can replicate that...