Lets try and put the damn lid back on that can of worms.

 

It seems to me that GTR results vary per forum and test, which leads me to believe a possibility exists for inconsistent manufacturing or there are "special" builds, either way, someone is full of ****e.

Something I have learned over the years is that a certain brand numbers are not the same as another, for example, a 600hp 99x turbo and a 600hp [other car here] numbers will be different because of efficiency, mostly through transmission loss (gear cut etc) and other driveline losses. An example is when I sold a Saleen 351 SR with 520 claimed hp and bought a 300hp NSX which could do everything and more the Saleen could do, numerically it doesn't make sense, but the NSX was light years ahead in manuf. efficiency. Something to ponder.

Bottom line is there are a couple likely scenarios, your numbers might be low, the other high, maybe hidden mods or...someone (nissan) is full of ****e with their public numbers, which is common for japanese cars. Other thoughts are...how old is your car, when was the last tranny fluid change? Maybe bad wheel bearings causing friction? Just food for thought, it all adds up.

(For the record, I think the GTR is a huge, ugly, rolling video game and a complete marketing F up, although it's impressive what they have done with numbers on paper.)

 

Ok let's start with some more detailed questions........

1) Are you running K16/24 or 16/16g or something else?
2) Did you run in auto mode, or with the wheel shifters?
3) Did you pull at all between gearshifts?
4) Who's tune is on the car?


I still don't buy a 16/24 car making 500 whp in a Tip, even less likely that it's awhp, because that's going to be on a DD or Mustang, and that's out.

The Tip is also not much lighter than the GT-R.

 

Weren't the Tiptronic cars significantly slower than their manual counterparts at higher speeds? Car and Driver road tested a Tiptronic equipped 996TT back in March of 2001 and found the car to be 0.3 seconds slower to the 1/4 mile and a whopping 4.3 seconds slower to 150 mph than manual equipped 996TTs.

The car "only" trapped 112 mph at 1/4 mile and seem to slow down by a fair margin thereafter. Perhaps it is an issue with gearing. If it is, tip cars are probably at a disadvantage in freeway races and would require a lot more horses than the manual cars to pull away from a GT-R at those speeds.

 

The curb weight on the '01 Tiptronic tested by C&D was 3597 lb. But I think the closer speed approaches 140 mph, the less vehicle weight plays a role. At those speed, I think the cars' coefficient of drag and gearing will have bigger influence on the race outcome.

 

I agree with that, and a tip will make less wheel hp as well as all of those things due to more drivetrain loss, which is why I question the whp numbers.


It would also be good to know the speeds from which they ran as that would have a big factor in the equation as well. But the dyno should help relieve some confusion.

 

I never received a gearbox recall... Perhaps another car you're referring to?

"Lots" of gearbox failures? AND engine failures?

Running more than 5-8 laps? I have plenty of video of mine doing that.

I know plenty GT-R's that run more than 5-8 laps in a row... We just had a group of over 20 GT-R's running around VIR on an off for hours at a time (my car was on track for 2 hrs non-stop in the morning, except to fill up on fuel).

Isn't there some other speculation and made-up stuff you guys could think of (not necessarily you HC, you only know what you read on the internet, and I understand that)?

Anyway, I asked the gentlemen about his mention of being fragile... When many owners put 600whp+ on the GT-R and have neither the engine NOR the transmission blow up.

Which part is fragile?

If you guys don't want another 5-10 page thread about the car, then why say such ignorant things about it? Why not just leave it alone? You want to talk about one car faster than another based on the video? Cool - both are fast cars, and I thought the outcome would have been different as well... BUT - the comment of being fragile confuses me (I own a $80k Nissan, I get confused easily).

As an owner, I'd love to hear what information you may have about the car, that I haven't learned either first-hand, or by association.

 

Don't talk about the videos, let's see them. 5+ laps in a row at full speed.

I know it was raining at VIR last monday, anything should be able to go half speed on a wet track in the rain for 5 laps. I'm talking full speed in the dry and not slow novice laps either, and consistently fast times. You know good and well the GT-R is prone to overheat when pushed for a long time, it's well documented.

Don't play games with me Jasper you know I'm not stupid.


Solenoid Recall in Japan which held many cars at port here in the states prior to release and likely caused some of the gearbox failures that prompted the lawsuit.

There is a recall in Europe right now because of engine's blowing up, or are you going to play coy like you didn't know about them.

Please tell me what I made up so I can help you remove the foot from your mouth.

 

I told you HeavyChevy it was coming. It's the same thing that happen in the 997 forum a few weeks back.
Maybe it would be easier and keep the forums cleaner to have
Porsche vs ...
Vette vs ...
GT-R vs ...
Forums to let all of these type threads be in? Seems there is 1 a week around here and I'm betting there would be more if forums were dedicated to them.

 

That won't help because if you notice, one of the regularly banned trolls started that thread in the 997 forum posing as if he could actually buy one and that thread went for 10+ pages.

The GT-R forum was supposed to be the answer for all the trolls, but it never is. You can expect to see this character defending the GT-R in every thread where it's applicable.

You aren't allowed to have factitious or subjective opinions of the GT-R on a Porsche forums without the GT-R defender coming to the rescue.

 

There were plenty of GT-R's running VIR north course in the morning (again, mine was being run for a couple of hours in the morning before the rain). And quite a few running the rain (yes times were slower, temps were lower, but I think that says quite a bit about the capabilities of the car).

The solenoid issue was fixed (was the entire gearbox fragile? No - just the solenoid and it was covered).

The Euro models DID have an engine recall. Doesn't apply to us here, or any of the other versions for the engine. There were some specs on that model that makes it different than ours. You probably knew that already.

Again - I ask - When many owners can put 600whp on the stock engine and transmission - succesfully - what part is fragile?

 

Again - my question was simple - it was in response to the person who stated the car was fragile. If you look at my original post in this thread, it simply explained the boost vs gearing issue you mentioned earlier. Nothing was argumentative about that. Not until the fragile comment...

Go back and look which one came first. Then you can point fingers.

 

Jasper, I'm not going to get another thread locked arguing with you. The GT-R's shortcomings are well documented just like every other vehicles. Let people decipher for themselves, but you can't discredit everything when a simple google search will turn up as much information to the contrary.

I wouldn't call the GT-R fragile, but I wouldn't call it solid either, you still can't turn disable all the nannies without voiding warranty, so some part of the car is weak if it needs to be protected by the computer at all times.

I still have not seen the laps you claim. And don't let it be hot outside, you and I both know the GT-R's can't run for long periods of time at advanced speeds, especially in anything above warm temperatures. And that's not getting into the brake's and tires, and high maintenance.

Sometimes you just have to leave people to their opinions because you can't change them. But you try faithfully, give you an A for effort.

 

Finally!!! You mentioned something of concern to me!!!

I've said - many, many, many times - I have my own concerns, but fragility is not one of them. But you mentioned a concern that I have - brakes on track getting hot. This IS a concern of mine (and I've mentioned it). But this wasn't part of the thread - AT ALL.

The tires get chewed up a little bit more because of the weight of the car. I have acheived some high temps on track (over 250deg - not this past weekend but on others). As far as nannies - we've covered this as well, running in 'R' mode is good enough for me, as I don't find it intrusive, I even had a TON of fun tracking in the rain (until I had three consecutive pucker moments).

But, again, NONE of this has anything to do with the original video...

I don't have a problem with ANYBODY's opinions, it's the supposed FACTS that people try to pass off here, that is troublesome.

 

Jasper, I remember last year or in 08 when the GTR was making it's way to the states, there was lots of trans issues. Heck, there is a vid of a car blowing it's trans up on youtube.

As fopr brakes $7k brake job? wtf