DonneyJ: Did they test an '04 GT2? The suspension in the '04 GT2 has been revised to incorporate things learned from GT3 suspension development and supposedly it's much better.

 

AMEN!!!! excellent post my friend!!!

 

AMEN!!!! excellent post my friend!!!

 

I read the article too, and was astounded that they went ahead and did all their driving in the RAIN. It really is a bit of a no brainer that only those with the utmost of skill would be able to handle the gt2 in the rain. I wonder if their opinion would be different in good weather

 

What is truly scary about the gay marrige issue is the government is willing to give someone a "right" based on who they choose to sleep with. It is hard to believe the rights bestowed upon women and balck people decades ago has been reduced to who you share your bed with. Furthermore, where does it stop. Soon there will be "equal" rights given to anyone for anything.

I would hope President Bush has the intelligence not to give this issue any of his time. Typical of the problems in this country, we become consumed with the most silly issues and let the important things fall by the wayside.

 

You always seem to misread my statements, it must be some kind of cynical view you have of the world.

What I meant is that if you appreciated handling and drove a GT2, you would get rid of your Turbo and buy one the next day. I am not the only one who has said this. Even Chad has said that it would take $25K to make a Turbo handle like a GT2 and he is absolutely right.

Before you go on bashing my statements, why don't you go drive a GT2 and then get back to me. Of course you might be so biased against the GT2 you may not be seeing the car objectively.

I have driven lots of exotic and modified cars, maybe even more than you since LA is the car capital of the world along with Florida. The GT2 definitely ranks as ONE of the best handling production cars in the world. Period. It's time at the 'Ring of 7:46 proves that. It is the best handling Porsche next to the Carrera GT and certainly it has beaten every Ferrari, Lambo, etc. all except the Pagani Zonda. Certainly it's the finest performance car that I can think of for less than $440,000.

 

The reason why a GT3 "handles better" is because it's always easier to drive an NA car more aggressively than a Turbo car.

You can ask anyone who has ever turbocharged a GT3-R race car. It's not quite the same.

For '04 they revalved the shocks to make it similar to the more forgiving GT3. That is the only change to the suspension. I don't think Porsche made a mistake the first time, I think they are just giving buyers a more forgiving and compliant car for '04.

 

I've never bashed a GT-2 and you've bashed Turbo's, Z06, M3 and the M5 probably along with others I've forgotten. Who's the cynic? There's no need for me to test drive a GT-2 because to me it is too similar to my Turbo and the difference between the two, even if it's as great as you say, isn't worth it to me. I drive to work, not "the 'ring", so you can quote your magazine times all you want because they mean nothing to me. Just once I'd like to see you praise another car that wasn't yours or didn't cost twice what yours does. You mean to tell me there are no other decent cars out there besides a GT-2, Carrera GT and Pagoni? Suffice it to say what you want out of a car and what I do are vastly different.

 

Sweet! I was away and this thread took off! It's alive again.

The homo talk and the car talk. Nice job guy... er uh... ****.

I personally believe this attack on the institution of marriage by homos is one of the worst things we have to deal with as a culture. Homosexuality is not "OK". It's evil in its best disguise. It comes across as "ok" because we think, well she's so nice, or they're so nice... they do great things.... blah blah blah.
At the core of it is the distruction of the family. Kids have been proven to develop much better with a MOM & DAD. Not 2 Mom's or 2 Dad's.

Now before you bring up the divorce issue again, it's misplaced logic. Divorce being so high doesn't make homosexuality OK. It just means there's one more big problem we have to address, but addressing it with Gay parents is wrong and dangerous.

Last thing... One of my biggest problems: The word "Homophobe" or "Homophobia"
Those words in themselves suggest that there is something wrong with not being accepting of the idea of Homosexuality. They make someone sound like they have a problem when in fact the problem lies with the homosexual, and not the person who dislikes or disagrees with them!

 

Give it a rest you homos!

 

Yeah, if the activist judge's have their way with the homo's..no pun intended, he he...What's next??? The right to incest??? Maybe all the Libs need to be rounded up and sent to Gitmo. That'll fix em...!!!

 

Hey Scotty:

*** clowns aside for a minute. I watched your video at Texas Motor Speedway. I liked how you turned your vehicle into a $135,000 lawn mower.

Craig

 

I've never bashed Turbos, I had one that won the Shootout silly. Critcizing and bashing are two distinctly different things. Sorry if you can't handle someone else's opinion that has actually owned both cars.

We are definitely different people.

I have every right to bash my M5 because I own one, have spent way more money on mods than most owners, and have had my fair share of problems with it. Why can't I bash a car that I own? It doesn't mean it's a bad commuter car.

There are other cars I like. I really do like the 996TT as I do all Porsches. I really love the GT3, GT3-RS and Aston AM V8. Now there's a start... Both those cars list for LESS than the GT2.

And how do you know if the Turbo and GT2 are so similar if you haven't DRIVEN a GT2? That's what I don't get about you.

 

So much for sticking to posts about cars...

So everybody that's condemed gay marriage on this thread as being unnatural has never engaged in a sexual act with someone they weren't married to and never for any reason other than procreation? Wouldn't it be considered a sin in several major religions to do so for other reasons? Or is that ok as long as it's not your religion? In that case it's a good thing the 1st Amendment covers free exercise of religion along with freedom of speech.

As for rounding people up and putting them into camps becuase they're different from you, does Auschwitz ring a bell? Or do you think that was just propoganda like landing a man on the moon? Try asking a Jew with a number tatooed on their arm about that sometime.

Regarding the "proof" that children develop better with a mom & dad as opposed to two mommies, these studies have shown a statisticaly significant difference in problems from birth to adulthood between children with gay vs. heterosexual parents? If so please cite the specifics. Somehow I think if we surveyed the rather large prison population in the US we'd find the vast majority had a "conventional" mom and dad so we can't blame gay parents for raising criminals.

Having lived most of my life in the Bible Belt I can certainly recognize some of the opinions expressed here. I might well still share them but when I lived in CA for 5 years I neglected to apply a litmus test for sexual orientation to the people I made friends with. Of course living here I'm not sure I'd ever met anybody that was gay before so the thought didn't occur to me. When I discovered some of my new friends weren't straight it didn't invalidate the friendships but it did teach me that sexual orientation is not the defining measure of a person.

And now I swear this is my last post on the topic. Frankly I amazed the moderators didn't boot this thread long ago for being so far from a car topic.

 

Oh god... here comes the liberal propaganda.

Equating gay marriages to the holocaust. Nice one, for a moment I thought there might be an actual link here.