No, but thank gawd we don't have to wear them for the Midwest Championship. I hate wearing those damn things. Either move or use your arms I tell our students.

This was actually a Jujitsu move called a Kimura. I missed a setup and gave up my arm and out went my shoulder and rib, elbow and forearm. LOL. Makes lifting interesting. I am too old to stop and care I guess

 

Honestly I would have to disagree. You have always been a gentleman on the boards Mark. I would not consider your post or quest to be a boast at all. We all should be as humble as you.

 

Second that....Mark has always been a total gent.

Stephen, did you get caught in a Kimura and not tap...your training partners need to concentrate on technique and not strength. Was it a Kimura from top or bottom. I can show you an awesome scissor choke w/ the legs when someone tries to defend the Kimura from the top.

Mark, that dyno was back in May....I wonder what Rob dynoed at Todds' 3 weeks ago?

 

It was from the top over the back. I was on the wall working for something else and missed being setup. It is my fault. He got out of it but I tapped a little late. It is my fault. I am like that. I am no better in Hap Ki Do either.

 

Now that we have thoroughly highjacked the thread...were you going for the Kimura? From the top, the bottom guy w/ usually defend by locking his hands together. When he does, hook/lock your hands at the crook of his elbow to pull his hands apart. At the same time, fall back as if going for an armbar. Makes sure to step right over his neck while falling back and slide your other foot under his neck. Even if you can't get his hands apart, you will choke him by scissoring his neck w/ your legs. If he releases his hands to try and push the scissor choke off his neck, then just take the armbar.

 

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I spoke to Todd and he said his car runs great. he is running twin GT35rs with a .63 hotside. Unfortunately the heads are lifting after 1 bar. Todd did not put the motor together. I am confident that within a month or so Rob's car will be fixed accordingly and I am sure it will do 850+ RWHP. MAybe Rob got out of hand if he stated that he has 250+ rwhp... but Rob will have everything Scott is about to do with the heads plus the 3.8L on top of it...

Thanks for the info Mark. I am pleased to hear that Rob’s car is running well, albeit at substantially less power than he claimed, after considerable problems with lifting heads and blown head gaskets. As I previously stated, I suspect that Rob will one day achieve his claimed power level – particularly with Todd K. taking over the project. However, as your post confirms, Rob’s claimed dyno results are just plain false. Moreover, your post confirms certain information I have received from different sources – namely, that Rob has been blowing head gaskets (because his heads are lifting – with less power than you or Scott make).

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I learned the first day on this forum that nobody gets a pass on B.S! (except VR ) I don't think anybody dought's that Rob's car will be a monster, but get it running first before calling people out .

Another Amen Burtha!!!

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This is Robs dyno on .8 bars I just do not know anything about it. Rob asked me to post it for him. As

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Originally Posted by MARKSKI

far as Rob's predictions... well, if I recall he is not the only one benchracing.... I have seen many posts about " should do 9s this time"... " or 10s for sure".... its only human nature to believe what we want to in order to rationalize our overspent tuning upgrades... Heck I am guilty of that myself.

First, Rob’s dyno graph, that your graciously posted on behalf of Rob, simply proves my point: Rob lied when he claimed that his dyno graph was 250 HP greater than a GT700. Ironically, the dyno graph you posted demonstrates that, in reality, Rob is making LESS RWHP than a GT700 (subject to dyno variations), after far more work, at far greater expense.

Please do not try to justify Rob’s false claims by reference to common place predictions or bench racing. That is not what Rob did here. To the contrary, Rob made a false statement regarding his HP. Recall the question and answer earlier in this thread:

Q: “What do your dyno charts look like?”
A. “look at a gt 700 dyno move the plot over 200 rpms and add 250 horsepower.”

Rob did not proffer his response as an estimate or prediction, nor provide any other caveat. To the contrary, he proffered his response as an established fact! He lied. He may achieve 250 HP more than a GT700 in a few months, after Todd K. rescues his car, but the fact remains that he has not done so yet and his claimed dyno results are just plain false.

Your desire to assist Rob is commendable. However, his own silence speaks volumes.

Allow me to add a bit of context to this drama which explains why I (and several others) are so irritated by Rob’s machinations. Rob initially sought to have EVOMS do his project. Although reluctant because of Rob's history with a prior tuner (forum sponsor), EVOMS gave Rob a quote. Rob was unwilling to pay EVOMS' price (his prerogative) and, therefore, Rob elected to proceed with his project on a piecemeal basis, using a combination of tuners that he believed (and touted) would do a better job than EVOMS for less money and finish sooner. Thus, Rob purchased parts from Protomotive (for whom I have immense respect), than hired Akram to build his motor.

Two weeks later, on May 18, Rob boasted that his car “was finished in two weeks” and he “saved money” by proceeding with his piecemeal project, as opposed to using EVOMS (https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1111629&postcount=54 ). Rob went on to describe the “sound” of his car as a “EVOMS beater” and thank EVOMS for declining his project. Ask yourself this: Why did Rob find it necessary to disparage EVOMS multiple times when the ostensible purpose of his post was to announce that his car was “finished in two weeks.” It is clear to me and others that Rob has a personal agenda against EVOMS and he seeks to passively aggressively disparage them whenever possible. If you read many of Rob’s other posts over the past few months, this agenda comes through loud and clear.

So be it. Rob has every right to dislike EVOMS and, if all Rob did was continue to passively aggressively disparage EVOMS, I would have sat on the sidelines and watched his childish antics. However, Rob was confronted with a major problem and his response to that problem is what had led us here.

Rob’s plan was predicated on his piecemeal approach producing a better product, in less time, for less money. However, that is not what occurred. Instead, Rob encountered a variety of problems, including improperly torqued head studs, studs installed too deep, multiple blown head gaskets, and a motor that cannot handle over .8 bar. Perhaps these problems arose because, rather than use an experienced 996TT engine builder (e.g., IA, Proto, or EVOMS, all of whom have built many 996TT motors), Rob instead used Akram, who had little or no prior experience with these engines. Perhaps not.

Had Rob come clean about the foregoing, he would have received a tidal wave of sympathy, support and well wishes from the 6Speed community, including from me. However, ego got in the way and Rob could not admit that his cost-cutting, time saving, piecemeal plan designed to trump EVOMS had failed. Therefore, rather than provide an accurate account of his project, or simply remain silent, Rob instead repeatedly and affirmatively misled us about the actual progress of his car. He posted that his car was "finished in two weeks" when, in reality, it still is not finished four months later. He touted Akram’s skilled engine build when, according to my sources, Akram’s work was anything but stellar. He claimed dyno results exceeding 850 RWHP when, in reality, he has made LESS than 600 RWHP. Now, Rob has arranged for Protomotive to redo Akram's work and rebuild the motor yet again (weeks after his engine was ostensibly completed by Akram).

Rob let his ego get in the way of the truth. He could not come clean about the real progress of his motor, nor simply remain silent until things got sorted out, because that would run contrary to his disparagement of EVOMS. Thus, Rob misrepresented the facts and hoped that no one would notice. Well, we noticed. We saw through Rob’s deception. The truth is now on the table. Hopefully Rob will learn from this experience and he will be more forthright in the future. There will likely come a day when he will have something to beat his chest about. When that day comes, I will be the first to congratulate him. Until them, he should cease his distortions and pipe down.

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Honestly I would have to disagree. You have always been a gentleman on the boards Mark. I would not consider your post or quest to be a boast at all. We all should be as humble as you.

I agree!!! Rob could learn from you Mark . . . we all could!

I think this horse is now dead, so this will be my last post on the subject. I wish Rob well as he moves forward with what is sure to be an impressive car when all is said and done. Good luck Rob!

Respectfully,

Craig

 

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Originally Posted by Craig

Rob lied when he claimed that his dyno graph was 250 HP greater than a GT700. Ironically, the dyno graph you posted demonstrates that, in reality, Rob is making LESS RWHP than a GT700 (subject to dyno variations), after far more work, at far greater expense.

Mark, there is no "maybe" or "if"...it's there in black and white. Dude is full of **** and just got owned.

 

No Keven, like I told yu on the phone I was not directing it towards.... nor towards anyone particular... heck I did it myself...

 

Renn,

I don't think it is fair or polite to say that Rob is full of ****. He just got overexcited about hgis project. I think we should just let what Craig said be the limit of our attacks upon him. No need to pile it on.

 

Stephen,

Is that dyno graph from a 996 tt? If so what has been done to that car?

What benefit hp and torque wise would you get with a 4.0 liter versus the 3.6 liter? Would it help to reduce lag going from GT28's to GT35's?

 

I've had run ins with him before, so I stand behind what I said. Any time I've ever posted any performance numbers on this forum, I have been challenged to prove them...which I ALWAYS do. Rob has been an EVOMS naysayer from the begining, so he doesn't get a pass. where I'm from when you lie, people say that you're "full of ****"

 

You guys take this way to serious.........

Christian

 

Craig, I'm not on anyones side... if you called and asked me to do something I would do it... BTW, I did not even know Rob went with Proto. He didnt tell me. I tried to muster up a deal with Evoms to upgrade him to the GT800 but it did not work out. I was not even on this thread until Rob asked me to put up the dyno becasue he was at work. I actually talked to Rob and told him that there is no point to making any reference to another tuner's set up... especially a gt700 from Evoms. Its not even a fair comparison since he will have considerably more power. And even if it was fair- what is the point. However, I found you Craig doing the saem thing to my car... comparing it to a Loren's car... and how he did 800+ rwhp on some small turbos( which proved to be wrong info)..etc.
....but its simply human nature... we all compare and try to put things in perspective. Heck, some on this board compared my car to Evom's 9sec. run... and how it was done with a base gt800. We can do this till we are blue in the face. We can go on and on and attack each other... directly or indirectly... I refuse to do it. I only defend myself when my car is used for some example and I feel that some info is incorrect.
bottom line: if we all told the truth about our tuners and the real issues we all endured thruout the ordeal we would all make them look not so appealing. I think everyone would just turn to Upsolute LOL.

best to all... you guys lets worry about getting out cars ready.... the Supra boys are waiting...
mark

 

It seems that all of the guys who have actually set some performance benchmarks have had their say in this thread; Mark, Craig, KPG, Marty, Joetwint among others. Everybody who has spoken up has a right to, because they have actually gotten out there and done something, they have earned the right to get in and mix it up with the others. That is what I find so troubling about Rob; he hasn't done **** but talk, that's it, nothing more. Even our old friend VR had some good videos of him running bikes and other fast cars on the freeway. Rob has produced nothing, until he does I vote that he can't play with the grown ups and has to sit at the kids' table.

 

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Originally Posted by MARKSKI

bottom line: if we all told the truth about our tuners and the real issues we all endured thruout the ordeal we would all make them look not so appealing. I think everyone would just turn to Upsolute LOL.

LOL!!! I plead the fifth! However, there is an important distinction between remaining silent about bumps in the road, and affirmatively posting false information. Everyone who has undertaken a major engine project has, to one degree or another, elected not to disclose certain obstacles and set-backs inherent in the process (for any number of reasons). I certainly have and I commend you for acknowledging that you have as well. The process is incredibly taxing and sometimes one is not inclined to disclose every detail. However, while we have occasionally censored our posts and refrained from disclosing certain set-backs, we have not affirmatively posted false information. Big difference!

Cheers,

Craig