997 Turbo / GT2 2006–2012 Turbo discussion on the 997 model Porsche 911 Twin Turbo.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: HBI Auto

Engine light came on today!

Thread Tools
 
Rate Thread
 
Old Nov 29, 2012 | 10:03 AM
  #1  
GTRNICK's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,677
From: London (UK)
Rep Power: 156
GTRNICK Is a GOD !GTRNICK Is a GOD !GTRNICK Is a GOD !GTRNICK Is a GOD !GTRNICK Is a GOD !GTRNICK Is a GOD !GTRNICK Is a GOD !GTRNICK Is a GOD !GTRNICK Is a GOD !GTRNICK Is a GOD !GTRNICK Is a GOD !
Engine light came on today!

Direct from PIWIS print out.

Fault code - P2190

Description - System too lean at idle bank 2 (below limit value)


Anyone have a clue or has seen this before?
 
Old Nov 29, 2012 | 11:44 AM
  #2  
jhbrennan's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 5,260
From: Austin
Rep Power: 770
jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !
Originally Posted by GTRNICK
Direct from PIWIS print out.

Fault code - P2190

Description - System too lean at idle bank 2 (below limit value)


Anyone have a clue or has seen this before?
If it came from PIWIS, didn't the OPC have a clue?
 
Old Nov 29, 2012 | 11:46 AM
  #3  
512bb's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 1,484
Rep Power: 93
512bb has much to be proud of512bb has much to be proud of512bb has much to be proud of512bb has much to be proud of512bb has much to be proud of512bb has much to be proud of512bb has much to be proud of512bb has much to be proud of512bb has much to be proud of
Have not seen this, but lean is a very bad thing for a turbo engine. Be very gentle if you absolutely have to drive the car.
 
Old Nov 29, 2012 | 11:50 AM
  #4  
GTRNICK's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,677
From: London (UK)
Rep Power: 156
GTRNICK Is a GOD !GTRNICK Is a GOD !GTRNICK Is a GOD !GTRNICK Is a GOD !GTRNICK Is a GOD !GTRNICK Is a GOD !GTRNICK Is a GOD !GTRNICK Is a GOD !GTRNICK Is a GOD !GTRNICK Is a GOD !GTRNICK Is a GOD !
The thing is there is nothing wrong with the car.

There cleared it and it was fine and it has happend a few times over the past year!

I'm think that maybe a sensor/meter is on the way out?
 
Old Nov 29, 2012 | 03:29 PM
  #5  
mikestyle's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 293
From: Toronto
Rep Power: 40
mikestyle has much to be proud ofmikestyle has much to be proud ofmikestyle has much to be proud ofmikestyle has much to be proud ofmikestyle has much to be proud ofmikestyle has much to be proud ofmikestyle has much to be proud ofmikestyle has much to be proud ofmikestyle has much to be proud ofmikestyle has much to be proud of
If you happen to figure it out i just got code p2190 & p2188. Let me know!



I did notice some hesitation on high boost....



I also cleared the codes and it came back two days later.
 
Old Nov 29, 2012 | 03:59 PM
  #6  
Steamboat's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 687
From: Colorado Mtns.
Rep Power: 80
Steamboat has a reputation beyond reputeSteamboat has a reputation beyond reputeSteamboat has a reputation beyond reputeSteamboat has a reputation beyond reputeSteamboat has a reputation beyond reputeSteamboat has a reputation beyond reputeSteamboat has a reputation beyond reputeSteamboat has a reputation beyond reputeSteamboat has a reputation beyond reputeSteamboat has a reputation beyond reputeSteamboat has a reputation beyond repute
As 512bb points out, lean is a very undesirable operating condition. It can lead to pre- detonation, very high operating temps and things that go bang in the night if run too hard.

What mikestyle is probably experiencing is the ECU pulling timing or cutting boost to save the motor from the lean condition. Ignore the condition and eventually it will put the motor into limp mode.

Best get these issues checked out by a reputable dealer or indy asap. Best,
 
Old Nov 29, 2012 | 06:45 PM
  #7  
The Bogg's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,658
From: GTA, Ontario, Canada
Rep Power: 236
The Bogg Is a GOD !The Bogg Is a GOD !The Bogg Is a GOD !The Bogg Is a GOD !The Bogg Is a GOD !The Bogg Is a GOD !The Bogg Is a GOD !The Bogg Is a GOD !The Bogg Is a GOD !The Bogg Is a GOD !The Bogg Is a GOD !
Originally Posted by mikestyle
If you happen to figure it out i just got code p2190 & p2188. Let me know!



I did notice some hesitation on high boost....



I also cleared the codes and it came back two days later.
I had these codes and they cleared themselves. It means it's rich at idle. A number of causes and one of them is faulty mafs.
 
Old Nov 30, 2012 | 02:08 AM
  #8  
GTRNICK's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,677
From: London (UK)
Rep Power: 156
GTRNICK Is a GOD !GTRNICK Is a GOD !GTRNICK Is a GOD !GTRNICK Is a GOD !GTRNICK Is a GOD !GTRNICK Is a GOD !GTRNICK Is a GOD !GTRNICK Is a GOD !GTRNICK Is a GOD !GTRNICK Is a GOD !GTRNICK Is a GOD !
Originally Posted by The Bogg
I had these codes and they cleared themselves. It means it's rich at idle. A number of causes and one of them is faulty mafs.
It does smell rich at idle, very rich but assumed it was the cat removal.
 
Old Nov 30, 2012 | 08:45 AM
  #9  
Frizz's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 62
From: Hamburg, Germany
Rep Power: 17
Frizz is infamous around these parts
Originally Posted by GTRNICK
I'm think that maybe a sensor/meter is on the way out?
Your are right, the air mass sensors are not working correct. You need to replace one or the two of them?? Usually this happens after installation of others than OEM Air-Filter?
However, the engine light is correct and says your car needs a new Sensor.
 
Old Nov 30, 2012 | 10:15 AM
  #10  
mikestyle's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 293
From: Toronto
Rep Power: 40
mikestyle has much to be proud ofmikestyle has much to be proud ofmikestyle has much to be proud ofmikestyle has much to be proud ofmikestyle has much to be proud ofmikestyle has much to be proud ofmikestyle has much to be proud ofmikestyle has much to be proud ofmikestyle has much to be proud ofmikestyle has much to be proud of
I do have a BMC filter....


Maybe I can try a cleaning formula?

On the other hand, i do have codes for both sides.... what are the chances they both went bad at the same time...
 
Old Nov 30, 2012 | 12:43 PM
  #11  
Frizz's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 62
From: Hamburg, Germany
Rep Power: 17
Frizz is infamous around these parts
I killed mine with this damned BMC.

It depends on how much oil is applied on the filter. On mine BMC was too much oil, which killed both sensors. The chance both are gone at the same time is fairly high, since each sensor can not withstand any oil.

There is no other chance than replace the sensors /filter and throw away BMC Filters or other oiled filters. After that the engine light disappears!
 
Old Nov 30, 2012 | 01:12 PM
  #12  
jhbrennan's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 5,260
From: Austin
Rep Power: 770
jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !
Originally Posted by Frizz
I killed mine with this damned BMC.

It depends on how much oil is applied on the filter. On mine BMC was too much oil, which killed both sensors. The chance both are gone at the same time is fairly high, since each sensor can not withstand any oil.

There is no other chance than replace the sensors /filter and throw away BMC Filters or other oiled filters. After that the engine light disappears!
Too much oil can cause problems...I've been using BMC in my 2008 TT for 4 years and have never had any problems. Just have to use the oil sparingly after you clean the filter and re-oil.
 
Old Nov 30, 2012 | 01:12 PM
  #13  
gmoney's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 3,315
From: WA state
Rep Power: 197
gmoney Is a GOD !gmoney Is a GOD !gmoney Is a GOD !gmoney Is a GOD !gmoney Is a GOD !gmoney Is a GOD !gmoney Is a GOD !gmoney Is a GOD !gmoney Is a GOD !gmoney Is a GOD !gmoney Is a GOD !
did you guys clean and oil the filters or was this with them out of the box?
 
Old Nov 30, 2012 | 01:17 PM
  #14  
mikestyle's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 293
From: Toronto
Rep Power: 40
mikestyle has much to be proud ofmikestyle has much to be proud ofmikestyle has much to be proud ofmikestyle has much to be proud ofmikestyle has much to be proud ofmikestyle has much to be proud ofmikestyle has much to be proud ofmikestyle has much to be proud ofmikestyle has much to be proud ofmikestyle has much to be proud of
Out of the box... have been bmc for approximately 6 months
 
Old Nov 30, 2012 | 01:49 PM
  #15  
jhbrennan's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 5,260
From: Austin
Rep Power: 770
jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !jhbrennan Is a GOD !
Originally Posted by mikestyle
Out of the box... have been bmc for approximately 6 months
Usually the re-oil causes the problems - out-of-the-box should be OK.
 


You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:04 PM.