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Old Aug 4, 2016 | 10:26 PM
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To the left, drain plug from my Aston Martin dealer (4.7 Vantage). To the right, 2009 VW Routan 4.0L (Dodge Caravan) plug.









Make your own conclusion.


BTW, same thread size and 13mm heads.
 

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Old Aug 5, 2016 | 12:10 AM
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Nice find! One for the FAQ
 
Old Aug 5, 2016 | 05:19 AM
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IMPULSIV - good find. Here's a little more info for folks sourcing:





List of OTHER vehicles using this part (OE cross referenced)

CHRYSLER 200 2011-2015
CHRYSLER 300 2005-2015
CHRYSLER 300M 2000-2004
CHRYSLER CIRRUS 2001-2010
CHRYSLER CONCORDE 2001-2004
CHRYSLER INTREPID 2000-2004
CHRYSLER LHS 2000-2001
CHRYSLER PACIFICA 2004-2008
CHRYSLER PROWLER 2001-2002
CHRYSLER PT CRUISER 2002-2010
CHRYSLER SEBRING 2001-2010
CHRYSLER TOWN & COUNTRY 2003-2015
CHRYSLER VOYAGER 2001-2008
DODGE AVENGER 2008-2014
DODGE CALIBER 2007-2012
DODGE CARAVAN 2001-2007
DODGE CHALLENGER 2008-2015
DODGE CHARGER 2006-2015
DODGE DART 2013-2015
DODGE DURANGO 2011-2015
DODGE GRAND CARAVAN 2003-2015
DODGE H100 2012
DODGE INTREPID 2000-2004
DODGE JOURNEY 2009-2015
DODGE MAGNUM 2005-2008
DODGE NEON 2002-2005
DODGE NITRO 2007-2011
DODGE STRATUS 2001-2006
DODGE SX 2.0 2003-2005
DODGE VAN 1000 2008
DODGE VIPER 2006-2015
FIAT 500 2012-2015
FIAT 500L 2014-2015
FORD CONTOUR 1998-2000
FORD EDGE 2012-2015
FORD ESCAPE 2001-2015
FORD ESCORT 1998-2003
FORD EXPLORER 1996-2010
FORD EXPLORER SPORT TRAC 2001-2010
FORD FIESTA 2011-2015
FORD FOCUS 2000-2015
FORD FOCUS EUROPA 2010-2011
FORD FUSION 2006-2015
FORD IKON 2013-2015
FORD MUSTANG 2005-2010
FORD RANGER 2001-2011
FORD TRANSIT CONNECT 2010-2015
FORD TRANSIT-150 2015
FORD TRANSIT-250 2015
FORD TRANSIT-350 2015
FORD TRANSIT-350 HD 2015
JAGUAR SUPER V8 2005-2009
JAGUAR VANDEN PLAS 2000-2009
JAGUAR XJ8 2000-2009
JAGUAR XJR 2000-2009
JAGUAR XK 2007-2009
JAGUAR XK8 2000-2006
JAGUAR XKR 2000-2009
JEEP CHEROKEE 2014-2015
JEEP COMMANDER 2006-2010
JEEP COMPASS 2007-2015
JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE 2005-2015
JEEP PATRIOT 2007-2015
JEEP WRANGLER 2007-2014
LAND ROVER LR3 2005-2008
LAND ROVER RANGE ROVER 2003-2009
LAND ROVER RANGE ROVER SPORT 2006-2008
LINCOLN MKZ 2013
MAZDA 6 2003-2010
MAZDA B4000 1995-2009
MAZDA TRIBUTE 2001-2011
MERCURY COUGAR 1999-2002
MERCURY MARINER 2005-2011
MERCURY MILAN 2006-2011
MERCURY MOUNTAINEER 2008-2010
MERCURY MYSTIQUE 1998-2000
PLYMOUTH PROWLER 2000-2001
RAM 1500 2013-2015
RAM C/V 2013-2015
RAM PROMASTER 1500 2014-2015
RAM PROMASTER 2500 2014-2015
RAM PROMASTER 3500 2014-2015
amV8 oil drain plug OE cross reference
 

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Old Aug 6, 2016 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by impulsiv
To the left, drain plug from my Aston Martin dealer (4.7 Vantage). To the right, 2009 VW Routan 4.0L (Dodge Caravan) plug.









Make your own conclusion.


BTW, same thread size and 13mm heads.
What was the price of the other plug?? Thanks
 
Old Aug 6, 2016 | 03:14 PM
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IMPULSIV - good find.
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THANKS!
 
Old Aug 6, 2016 | 03:39 PM
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I did mine today 2009 v8v and you don't need to remove the metal tray. There is a cut out for the oil sump and the three plugs are right there to get at.
 
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Originally Posted by handyman2009
What was the price of the other plug?? Thanks

List is 24.xx$ for AM, +/- 13.xx for VW Routan. (Canada)
 
Old Aug 7, 2016 | 10:33 AM
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I've seen alternatives for the drain plug, the o-ring and the oil filter. How about the copper washer? Is it just a flat washer or does it have a special profile?
 
Old Aug 7, 2016 | 04:17 PM
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Flat Copper washer

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I've seen alternatives for the drain plug, the o-ring and the oil filter. How about the copper washer? Is it just a flat washer or does it have a special profile?
Although it's not an exact replacement, I've been using Dorman #097-138 as a substitute for the AM OEM copper drain washer on the dry sump oil reservoir on my 2007 4.3 Vantage.

DORMAN -097-138: Metal; Size; M14; Inside Dia: 0.61"/15.6mm;
Outside Dia.: 0.94"/23.9mm; Thickness: 0.079"/2mm

AM: OD = 1.0"/25.4mm ID: 0.64"/16.25mm; Thickness (used):0.57"/1.45mm

Since the substitute is a bit smaller on the OD, you have to take a little care to center it when installing. Use at your own risk.

Oil Drain Plug: Dorman 090-115: M14-1.5 w/13mm hex

Both are available from rockauto dot com: The copper washers are sold in a box of 10 for less than $10 + s/h ($0.94 each).
The drain plug is less than $3 + s/h.

I normally just replace the drain plug gasket rather than the whole assembly, as the metal part doesn't usually wear out .
You can see the gaskets in the bottom of the photo; but I can't, at the moment, remember where I sourced them...senior moment I guess?

I suspect any good auto parts store can supply 14mm ID oil sump drain gaskets, if you choose to go that route (as well as M14-1.5 drain plugs at a cost less than AM charges).
The availability of the copper gaskets might be another story...
 
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Old Aug 7, 2016 | 05:18 PM
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Cool.

The oil bypass filter O-rings are 1 1/2"ID X 1 11/16"OD X 3/32"CS. Nitrile (aka NBR or Buna-N) Durometer 70 Shore A. Available online or at hardware stores. They're about $0.10
 
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have we now all agreed on the Fram or jag filter part numbers for the Vantage?
I see reference to Land rover oil filters back on page 6?
 
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Be careful with alternative oil filters. Check all the specs.
The bypass pressure for the OEM filter is a relatively high 23PSi.
I f you use a filter with a lower bypass pressure you could have most of the oil circulating without passing thro the filter.
 
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just checked thr fram ph9010 specs, bypass setting is 9-15
way lower than the oem filter at 23
think i'll stick to oem
 
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I did a bunch of research on this and even tried getting custom oil filters made, but the $50-100k initial investment quotes I was getting were complete dealbreaker.

I ended up sticking with OEM for as much as possible, only replacing things for of an increase in quality, to fix an problematic part, or because I've found an identical replacement for a non-critical item.

OEM is still a bit expensive compared to the "normal" supplies for a Ford or Honda or something, but I've managed to bring down the costs of maintenance considerably without sacrificing any peace of mind for parts quality or compatibility. For example, I had my first service done by a dealership when I first bought my '07 V8V. They charged me $650 just for an oil change. I've cut that cost down to less than 1/3 of that:

http://www.redpants.lol/shop/oil-change-package
http://www.redpants.lol/shop/motul-engine-oil

Even if you pay someone to do the labor, the cost for an oil change is half of what that dealership charged me.
 
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I have been queried on oil pressures.There is confusion between "absolute or in line" pressure and "bypass" pressure which is a differential pressure.
Say the oil leaves the pump at 75PSi and enters the filter at that pressure.
The oil leaves the filter at a slightly lower pressure when the filter is new.
As the filter ages and gets clogged the leaving pressure is further reduced.
The filter is fitted with a bypass valve (Normally spring loaded) .This is a safety feature because if the filter becomes totally clogged no oil would reach the engine! This valve opens (closes?) at a preset pressure and all oil passes to the engine unfiltered.

So suppose that the oil leaves the filter at 60PSi then the bypass pressure is 15PSi and the OEM filter would be fully operational.

However if the filter had a bypass rating of say 12 PSi then the valve on a new filter would operate and some or all the oil would bypass.
 


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