I have a 2019 Vantage and I have the Timeless warranty. If I install Velocity secondary cat delete pipes, will I void the warranty?

 

Have the dealership sell and install the decat. You should be good then.

 

No dealership will sell or install anything that will void or alter the vehicle’s emissions systems.

 

Well then the question is answered.

AM-Lotus dealership sold me a Larini decat for my Lotus & would stand behind it should it be a warranty concern. Never was an issue. Granted I had 6 months left of warranty when they installed it.

 

I'm not convinced it is that simple. I don't think that deleting the secondary cats will void the warranty, but I am curious if anyone has any first hand experience with this.

 

I think it would only void the warranty if a claim has some connection/function that was impacted BC the CATS were removed, and then only on that claim. Example, if you made a claim the sound system has a blown speaker, or there was some failure with the ABS the factory (or warranty company) wouldn't be asking if there were CATS on the car.

The bigger issue is where you're doing this (looks like Chicago) and how it impacts state emissions testing. If you moved this car to CA or CO you wouldn't/couldn't get a registration/plates BC the car would fail inspection.

The dealer and who is actually warranting the form/fit/function of the car are two different things. Dealer doesn't warranty anything. Everything that is a warranty item is a factory approved (or denied) process. So, dealer might sell you anything, but they are not warranting. I remember growing up in Chicago and visiting Mr. Norm's dealership. They were into all kinds of high performance aftermarket stuff and would install it for you, but couldn't guarantee any warranty on the car.

And, to the comment in post #3 - I completely agree with this statement. No dealership should be so stupid to remove/alter an emissions device on a car which is a federal offense. The EPA doesn't mess around with "businesses" that do this. They don't chase down individuals, but businesses they very much do.

My take on it....

 

My car is registered in Michigan, so no emissions test, it is also my understanding that secondary cars do very little in the way of lowering emissions. I agree that the dealership in no way would install cat delete pipes. I've already installed these, but I have to take the car in for warranty work on my blind spot system. I was wondering if I should put the cats back on when it goes in. While not a big pain to swap, it's an hour of time I don't feel like spending under the car, if not necessary. My brother is a service manager at a Jeep dealership and his take is the same as BWINGS. So unless someone has had an issue first hand, I'm going to keep them on.

 

On my Vanquish the secondary cats had no oxygen sensors so it would still pass smog without them. The best source is to ask your dealer and get it in writing.

 

On the secondary CATS, it's just what the State's inspection process is. In CA they not only smog the car, they do an equipment visual check and an ECU EVN check. If the car comes equipped with 4 CATS they know that by a spec sheet for that model. So, if the secondary CATS are removed, they'll fail in CA. I believe CO does the same. CA will also fail mods to the intake (aftermarket). They might not inspect or recognize just an air filter change like a K&N.

But I agree, if you live in a state like I do, AZ, they only hook up an OBD probe and if there are no active P-codes, and all I/M monitors are complete it's a pass even if the secondary CATS are removed.

 

I have not had a visual inspection in CA for years. They hook up to the cars computer and it take only minutes and immediately sent to the DMV. I know years ago they did visual inspections. I have secondary de cat and passed with no problems, they are not monitored by the cars computer.

 

Oh, that's very interesting. I know guys who were getting failures constantly with Corvettes (Circa C6) where four CATS were factory installed, they removed the secondary CATS and failed visual. Maybe CA is lightening up a little lately. That would be refreshing.

 

They used to stick a probe in the exhaust pipe and run it on a dyno, all kinds of crazy stuff. But not any more. All they care about it getting the $$. I wish they were lightening up, but it's still a communist bastion (joking of course).