hey guys,
what are your thoughts on a fully loaded, nav and all, bmw m3 coupe with dtc...especially your feelings on the trans..
how does it stack up for everyday driving against the c63, i dont track.
thks a lot

 

if youre not going to track it...i would prob go with the c63. they are both very good cars. m3 handles better and is more nimble while the c63 is faster, has a more aethetically pleasing interior, big brakes (worthy of a 65-70K car), and it also sounds better stock for stock.
i personally dont like the dct-on upshifts the car tends to have a very noticable lag. now this lag isnt in the shifting itself...but rather is more of the response from the ecu to signal the car to shift. many people have said the c63 auto is very good, and one of the best autos out there.
drive them both and see what you like.
hope that helps.

 

thanks.
also, the m3 is a good 10gs more at least as my offers stand. i think im gonna go with the c63....just the dct on the m3 looks cool and so does the interior, when its decked out.
maybe i ll go try it if i still get a chance, i dont track the cars..
thks again

 

i dont think you can go wrong either way...

the m3 is really 10k more in canada?

 

base 71 300 for coupe m3
base 63 500 for c63.
its just the only one available as know for the m3 with dct-supposed to be rare in canada- is fully loaded (which isn't much better loaded than the c63+premium pack) with a sticker of 85...its an 08 with 1000km, he offered 80 on the phone, probably done to 75 maybe.
wheras amg will get for 67 or so- no performance pack though
brand new 2009, with comparable feature for the coupe will come in at 80 or more, wheras c63 67 or so

 

The C63 and DCT M3 are basically neck and neck straightline.

The shifter lag is a software issue and the update to fix it (along with the downshifting under hard braking) is currently a month out according to various service advisors.

The actual shift speed is brutal fast, namely in S6.

The M3 is the more complete all around drivers car, the C63 is more one dimensional in comparison. The choice is fairly easy based on what you want out of the car.

 

completely agree

 

i personally like the m3. everytime there is a review on it, they always mention how bad the interior is, but i really really like it. i like it when theres only the bare necessities and a simple looking dash without a bunch of buttons. if youre more of a "like to have fun" driver, M3. If you want a freeway cruiser, C63.

 

personally, i like the interior of the m3 fully loaded though, better than the c63...i find the former cheap looking.
thanks again.
do you prefer smg to dct?

 

manual, but if i had to go manumatic, dct hands down.

i drove the dsg in a 2.0t audi, which is my only experience with a dual clutch and even though the audi is not fast out of the box, you have so much fun with the transmission that you forget about the speed of the car.

 

I drove both cars and the answer is simple and easy. If you are going to track the car buy the M3. Some cars sound fast, feel fast and are fast. If that is what you are looking for get the C63. The M3 feels like it has a 6 under the hood! However, l will tell you that in my opinion the M3 is a better made car and will probably be more reliable then the C63 but it is not a fun car to have as a daily driver. It's boring! Why would BMW put 295lbs of torque in an M3, if the 335i has 300? The 4.0 liter BMW engine can fit inside the glove box of the C63! BMW needs to pull their heads out of their "..." and step up the torque. On the street, torque is everything and HP is nothing! A guess that is why you don't see too many new M3's on the street. They are sitting on the dealer lots collecting dust.

 

Ummm, the M3 makes its peak torque at 3900 and maintains it until redline. 90% of the torque is available from 2000 rpm. So, what are you talking about? The motor combined with a 7 speed dct is the closest thing to automotive Nirvana short of the big boys, GT3's and F430's.

People get caught up in paper torque figures and it is lame. Have you seen a dyno of the M3 V8?

I guess I disagree, the C63 is boring on the street as the only thing fun about it is putting your foot down. The m3 puts a smile on your face at low speeds as well as when winding it out to 8400 rpm.

Honestly, if you are looking for torque to melt your tires the E55 is a better choice than the C63, and can be had for cheaper.

 

I see you have an M3 therefore not much will get through to you, but, the M3 is short on torque, 295 is not a lot of torque, and it cannot be stated otherwise

Just because it's made early and stays till redline, doesn't mean anything.. it's low of torque, plain and simple, and this weakness can be taken advantage of

 

The E55 sits on an airmatic suspension. The car rides like a 1981 Eldorado! You should read about and test drive cars before making impulsive decisons based on a fading reputation. The C63 sits on traditional shocks and springs. I wouldn't trade my car for a CL65!

I have driven many high performance cars and happen to know a thing or two. Sorry, I made you feel bad about your decision to buy an M3. If your so biased towards BMW's a much smarter decision would have been to buy a 335i and mod it instead of spending $70K on a car that has as much torque as a Nissan Maxima. I would rather enjoy the C63 between 1,000 and 5,000 RPM's then to risk getting a ticket winding out the 4.0 liter to 6,500 plus RPM's and weaving in and out of traffic in order to reap any benefit from it's motorcycle simulating engine.

Like I honestly said, although the M3 is a better quality car it is a track car and belongs there. The C63 is a muscle car and puts the M3, M5 and M6 to shame on the street!

If your so sure that the M3 is more fun to drive on the street then the C63 then why is each BMW dealer sitting on 10+ of them and the C63's are going out the door before they hit the showroom floor? Just something to think about.....

 

Low on torque, compared to what? Here is a list of cars with more torque that the M3 either outperforms or it is a drivers race:

1. Jaguar XKR - 4.2 liter WITH a supercharger
2. Ford GT500 - 5.4 liter V8, WITH a supercharger
3. Aston Martin AMV8 - 4.2 Liter V8 and 4.7 liter V8
4. Dodge Challenger / Charger SRT-8 - 6.1 liter V8
5. Chevy Camaro - 6.2 liter V8
6. Pontiac GTO - 6.0 liter v8
7. Lexus IS-F - 5.0 liter v8
8. Aston Martin DB7 - 6.0 liter V12
9. Bentley Continental GT - 5.5 liter twin turbo W12
10. Audi R8 - 4.2 liter v8
11. Chevrolet Corvette - 6.2 liter v8
12. Maserati Gran Turismo S - 4.7 liter v8
13. Mercedes CL63, SL63, S63 - 6.2 liter v8
14. Audi S6/S8 - 5.2 liter V10
15. Mustang GT - 4.6 liter v8
16. Ferrari 612 Scaglietti - 5.7 liter v12
17. Pontiac G8 GT - 6.0 / 6.2 liter v8
18. Cadillac XLR-V - 4.4 liter V8 WITH supercharger

Every single one of those cars has a larger motor, embarrassing for BMW of for them? What is more impressive, a 4.0 liter V8 keeping pace with a 6.2 liter V8 or a 6.2 liter V8 keeping pace with a 4.0 liter V8? The M3 makes the most efficient use of its power.

Name cars with a smaller motor that outperform the M3... a very short list naturally aspirated (GT3) and the only cars with forced induction would be the top of the 911 range and the GTR.

So, who is taking advantage of it and how? Having a ton of torque down low feels nice, as you spin your wheels, and the M3 with less torque takes off and maintains its advantage because it puts its power to the ground.

Funny, my low torque M3 has had no trouble spanking cars with far more torque on the street. Torque figures are nice for racing on paper though.