Originally Posted by Chris from Cali

It's REALLY funny to hear BMW guys talk about Audis being underbraked... Single-piston sliding calipers on the M5?

Originally Posted by PorscheC4

whats even funnier is that youre criticizing bmw brakes but the m3 brakes 60-0 in 112 ft which is about the same as the rs4 given the fact that the rs4 stops in 110 according to crazy1323 above and given that the m3s brakes are 12.8 front and 12.9 rear when the rs4s brakes are sig. bigger at what 13.9 front and 14.8 rear.

while the brakes could be better, theyre not terrible.

Originally Posted by Chris from Cali

You guys are too much... you go on and on about track numbers this and that, then skew numbers when they suit you. Sure the M3 might have one-stop numbers that better a lot of cars, but brakes are all about REPEATABILITY. When those M3/M5 brakes are smoking after 1-2 laps, the RS4 brakes will keep going and going. Hell, an Evo has better brakes than the M cars and it's half to 1/3 the price. The argument could go on forever - like I said at the very beginning, these cars push different buttons for different people. Same thing as the Porsche vs. Corvette, Lambo vs. Ferrari, Mustang vs. Camaro, etc. etc. etc.

Originally Posted by Chris from Cali

You guys are too much... you go on and on about track numbers this and that, then skew numbers when they suit you. Sure the M3 might have one-stop numbers that better a lot of cars, but brakes are all about REPEATABILITY. When those M3/M5 brakes are smoking after 1-2 laps, the RS4 brakes will keep going and going. Hell, an Evo has better brakes than the M cars and it's half to 1/3 the price. The argument could go on forever - like I said at the very beginning, these cars push different buttons for different people. Same thing as the Porsche vs. Corvette, Lambo vs. Ferrari, Mustang vs. Camaro, etc. etc. etc.

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New director of development Tobias Moers is promising that he’s left nothing to chance in tackling the new M3 head-on
The change in philosophy is no better demonstrated than the decision by AMG to equip the C63 with an ESP system that can be switched off completely.
“It was the one thing I really pushed hard to incorporate into the car from the very beginning,� says Moers. “It is essential that our customers can choose to use every last bit of their cars’ performance.�

Originally Posted by author of AutoCar UK article

I can’t remember a more entertaining, more dynamically rounded Mercedes model since the 190 2.5 Evo.

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Engine is mounted 15mm further back in the engine bay than the normal C-class motors.

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Central among the changes is the adoption of the front axle from the CLK63 Black Series and greater stiffness at the front end. This delivers sharper turn-in and greater levels of feedback than any current AMG model.

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The C63 is terrifically responsive, surprisingly communicative and adjustable on the limit – hardly how we’d describe its predecessor, whose bold engine dominated proceedings in such a way that it was ultimately to the detriment of the overall driving experience

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Tobias Moers, promises will challenge BMW’s new M3 for outright driver appeal. “We have left no stone unturned in efforts to provide our new car the necessary qualities to lift it above the competition,� he says, adding that the C63 has more development miles than any other car in AMG’s 40-year history.

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Up in length by 1.3 inches over the standard C-Class and boasting redesigned wheel bearings, it adds true precision to the steering, imbuing the C63 with sharper turn-in and greater feedback than any other AMG model

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customers who specify the C63’s optional performance package receive a remapped ECU that extends it to a rather more fitting 174 mph. “It’s geared to do more . . . much more,� says Moers, “but we’ve got to consider the stresses being placed on the tires.�

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This is the first AMG product to be designed from its computer-conception for extreme performance. Its predecessors (like most AMG models) are essentially tuner specials, with bolted-on performance. This time, practically everything forward of the firewall (except for the two energy-absorbing frame-rail stubs) is unique to AMG.The front track is 1.4-inches wider, standard 18-inch wheels permit larger knuckles, and a new engine cradle accommodates longer diagonal links that completely change the geometry. A lower roll center, for example, helps the car corner flatter while preserving ride quality with an anti-roll bar that's only 0.04-inch thicker. New ball bearings offer twice the rigidity of the stock front-axle bearings. Camber increases from 0.5 to 1.4 degrees and caster is reduced by 15 degrees. The steering ratio tightens from 14.5:1 to 13.5:1, and there are new bearings atop the struts. The effect of all this front-end work is vastly improved steering feel and agility with reduced understeer.

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A Performance Package will include a mechanical limited-slip differential (offering 30 percent lockup under power, 10 percent or less on overrun), and compound steel brake rotors with aluminum centers (for vastly improved fade resistance and slightly lower weight). Springs and dampers are stiffened by 10 and 15 percent respectively.

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The Black Series's 2.82:1 rear axle is fitted

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The stability-control system's "sport" mode allows reasonable drift angles (it was programmed so as to allow the car to circulate the Nrburgring Nordschleife just as fast in the ESP-Sport mode as with the system switched off)

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Where this engine will trump the forthcoming M3's V-8 is not with its 30-plus extra horsepower, but with its titanic 148-pound-foot torque advantage.

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It's here that AMG takes the most startling swipe at the M3. Turn-in is quick, effort builds naturally with cornering intensity, and the chassis responds in ways that would make a blindfolded Bimmerphile surprised to find a three-pointed star on the airbag

Originally Posted by bugatti212

I posted the below on another forum after reading the initial reviews of the C63. I'm going to place my bet on the complete other end of the spectrum. I think the AMG is going to outperform the M3 and RS4 in many areas.

Some highlights/comments/facts from the articles:





http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarRe...6409/




http://www.autoweek.com/apps/p.../1009






http://www.motortrend.com/road....html

On the other hand, the AutoCar review of the new M3 had an interesting comment...

"And the steering never scores more than six out of 10 no matter where or how you drive the car."

http://www.autocarmagazine.co.uk/Car...4.0-V8/226432/

Originally Posted by Chris from Cali

I am on the wait list as of yesterday for the C63... I am going to test drive the C350 Sport in a month. Let's hope it doesn't disappoint. When are the new M3s due to show up??

Originally Posted by 04ImolaZHP

wow, if the C63 delivers on what is written above, I may even look at it... that would be a complete change of phylosphy and direction for MB if indeed they do all that...

Originally Posted by Chris from Cali

That's whole reason I am so excited about it - I just hope the interior materials are up to par. Someone posted some pics of the regular C-Class in the Mercedes section and it didn't look encouraging...