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Old Nov 24, 2013 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 996tt550hp
Something i had to ask you. Well when my MAF is plugged in i get these codes always P0172 and P0175 ignition adaption bank 1 and bank 2 rich condition.


Ok i left my MAF unplugged and they never pop up. I am wondering is my MAF going bad or is it bad? I bet that damn EVOM Intake blew my MAF.
Oh my god dude. This is EXACTLY why people have kept saying "things may not be right". Having the MAF unplugged means it's going off a default value and not really cross referencing anything. You have a MAF tune, thus your MAF should ALWAYS be plugged in. Unplugging it doesn't "make the codes go away" it means the car doesn't know what the **** is going and and isn't being triggered as a problem when something is actually going on. Colder plugs is most likely not the problem.

Quit posting and start fixing the issues.

Also, just for argument sake, you could use stock diverters and vent them to the atmosphere and probably be better than aftermarket bov's. But either way, you have a MAF tune which should never be vented to the atmosphere. I still want to know how you've hooked up BOV but yet are swapping diverters back into its place. It sounds like hardware being swapped and all the vacuum lines not being correctly capped off or relocated could be part of the problem.
 
Old Nov 24, 2013 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by pwdrhound
My turbos are RUF K24 hybrids which evidently is some type of a K24/26 variant. They probably spool quicker than a standard k24 because they are used in concert with RUFs matched waste gates, larger intake manifold, larger turbo intake hoses, free low exhaust along with a RUF ECU. I've driven a basically stock flashed x50 car and it felt downright lethargic in comparison with a much later power band.
makes perfect sense..and yes, "lethargic" is how i would describe stock 24's even with gt2 map. but as you know, the lethargy tends to be brief. lol
 
Old Nov 24, 2013 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by mbgt72
Oh my god dude. This is EXACTLY why people have kept saying "things may not be right". Having the MAF unplugged means it's going off a default value and not really cross referencing anything. You have a MAF tune, thus your MAF should ALWAYS be plugged in. Unplugging it doesn't "make the codes go away" it means the car doesn't know what the **** is going and and isn't being triggered as a problem when something is actually going on. Colder plugs is most likely not the problem.

Quit posting and start fixing the issues.

Also, just for argument sake, you could use stock diverters and vent them to the atmosphere and probably be better than aftermarket bov's. But either way, you have a MAF tune which should never be vented to the atmosphere. I still want to know how you've hooked up BOV but yet are swapping diverters back into its place. It sounds like hardware being swapped and all the vacuum lines not being correctly capped off or relocated could be part of the problem.
brilliant. i was educated. the mere fact the 996550 is even questioning whether his spark plugs are even good call into question all of this. let alone bov's lol. anyone else here running that way? didn't think so.

i'm leaning heavily again toward my .02 diagnosis of "munchausen by proxy syndrome" for car nuts lol. that could explain a lot.
 
Old Nov 24, 2013 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by pwdrhound
How could you possibly even think you can tune the car if as you say your car has:
1. Leaks on the intake side plus other possible areas
2. Throwing fault codes
3. Suspected bad MAF
4. Suspected bad plugs
5. Possible lean condition at 11.9afr

I'd let a competent mechanic go over the engine with a fine toothed comb and fix stuff before you blow stuff up. As a referrence, my engine under full boost will see AFRs dip into the 10s.
Um if your afr is dipping into the 10s you are flooding your motor under wot. This is coming from Topspeed Motors. 11.9 afr is perfect for wot.
 
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For everyone else saying do this do this do that.

First have someone saying 10s afr wot is great wtf any tuner will tell you your nuts.

Second plugs were just checked there all fine no cracks or anything.

Third having my maf off has nothing to do with wot my afr is still the same checking durametric. Im checking to see if my maf is bad or voltage dropping.


Dont post if you have no damn clue on what your talking about.
 
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Originally Posted by '02996ttx50
brilliant. i was educated. the mere fact the 996550 is even questioning whether his spark plugs are even good call into question all of this. let alone bov's lol. anyone else here running that way? didn't think so.

i'm leaning heavily again toward my .02 diagnosis of "munchausen by proxy syndrome" for car nuts lol. that could explain a lot.
We did a test on both stock and bov made no difference search before u speak its already been proven. Sorry to get on you but thats why theres a search button.
 
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Originally Posted by mbgt72
Oh my god dude. This is EXACTLY why people have kept saying "things may not be right". Having the MAF unplugged means it's going off a default value and not really cross referencing anything. You have a MAF tune, thus your MAF should ALWAYS be plugged in. Unplugging it doesn't "make the codes go away" it means the car doesn't know what the **** is going and and isn't being triggered as a problem when something is actually going on. Colder plugs is most likely not the problem.

Quit posting and start fixing the issues.

Also, just for argument sake, you could use stock diverters and vent them to the atmosphere and probably be better than aftermarket bov's. But either way, you have a MAF tune which should never be vented to the atmosphere. I still want to know how you've hooked up BOV but yet are swapping diverters back into its place. It sounds like hardware being swapped and all the vacuum lines not being correctly capped off or relocated could be part of the problem.

Your talking out of your ***. What facts do you have on this claim of taking diverters and releasing pressure to the air vs. a BOV? Its the samething i dont like diverters never did they leak.
 
Old Nov 24, 2013 | 11:46 AM
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Were fixing the intake leak right now it will take 4 hours theres a small split on my hose in the back they just found it.
 
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Originally Posted by 996tt550hp
We did a test on both stock and bov made no difference search before u speak its already been proven.
yes, but i thought that was on honda's. my bad. thanks.
 
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Originally Posted by '02996ttx50
yes, but i thought that was on honda's. my bad. thanks.
So your saying markski and blackhorse are like hondas too? They run bov's. Go on what yourself.
 
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Originally Posted by 996tt550hp
So your saying markski and blackhorse are like hondas too? They run bov's. Go on what yourself.
relax. i'm here to be edumucated too. btw. change your spark plugs.. they're like 10 bucks each lol
 
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Take a breather guys.
 
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Originally Posted by 996tt550hp
Were fixing the intake leak right now it will take 4 hours theres a small split on my hose in the back they just found it.
so was it the hose from the intake to the oil tank i told you about?
 
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Yup abd hes not happy working on a weekend doing this lol but i will still get your stuff. Another thing looks like my maf readings are wacked out. There positive on idle thats not right.
 
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Originally Posted by 996tt550hp
We did a test on both stock and bov made no difference search before u speak its already been proven. Sorry to get on you but thats why theres a search button.
So you're saying that BOV being 100% vented to the atmosphere (not recirculating) with a normal MAF tune is completely fine. B/c this is where everyone has disagreed with you, including your tuner. Switching back and forth between Diverters and BOV require different hardware components and different tuning. Markski & Protomotive run them with blow-thru and mafless tunes. Completely different setup.

Yes BOV can be used, but the tune is done differently than it is with a standard MAF + diverter setup which does not allow metered air to escape to the atmosphere. Most people are using a blow through setup, or mafless. Which it doesn't sound like you're using either of these systems as I know EPL does not commonly do mafless.


And I did not mean diverters release pressure to the atmosphere, I was simply saying that they could be setup to do this, as the protomotive fender intake systems do.
 

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