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750hp daily driver
800 on pump 93 with a Switzer package....
 
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800 on pump 93 with a Switzer package....
Touché.
 
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Originally Posted by Neil Switzer
We have the world record with a bone stock long block 997.1TT running 1100+hp and a 4.25 second 60-130, which equals a 3.7 second 100-200 run.

Would we try the same thing on the new engine? Simply put - no.
That is very simply said, ... and a very powerful statement from people that know what they are talking about.
 
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if I didn't really understand the new motor I wouldn't try something like that either.

Its only been out less than a year ... I"m sure there is much more to learn about the new motor even by a great team like switzer.

I'm pretty sure no one tried putting a 1100+hp on a stock 997.1 the first year out either. Not to mention that block has been out a LOT longer than that.
 
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Can someone compare the new motor with the old one in terms of components and materials?

Crank, Rods, Pistons, Valves....
 
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Guess i will have to make do with 530hp for the moment...
...makes me feel so inadequate
 
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This is almost as bad as a vs GTR thread...

If you feel tuners need more time with the A91 then stop bickering and revisit the subject in another year.
 
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This is almost as bad as a vs GTR thread...

If you feel tuners need more time with the A91 then stop bickering and revisit the subject in another year.
+1. Well stated!
 
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Old 09-03-2010, 09:26 AM
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How far will we go with it (the new engine)?

Well we did have sledge running some big power in 2008, and that was not long after it arrived here. https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ght=997tt+30rs

Like Champion has said and done, 560whp is all she will take, then the tranny is the weak link. Nobody knows what the engine will take yet, heck everyone was in an engine building frenzy with the 996tt and the 997tt years ago when it was believed that you could only take the metzger engine to 600hp or the rods will come out...

550whp with the PDK is pretty fast, not 9 second 1/4 fast but it will suffice for 75% of the people out there.
 
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Originally Posted by Neil Switzer
How far will we go with it (the new engine)?

Well we did have sledge running some big power in 2008, and that was not long after it arrived here. https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ght=997tt+30rs

Like Champion has said and done, 560whp is all she will take, then the tranny is the weak link. Nobody knows what the engine will take yet, heck everyone was in an engine building frenzy with the 996tt and the 997tt years ago when it was believed that you could only take the metzger engine to 600hp or the rods will come out...

550whp with the PDK is pretty fast, not 9 second 1/4 fast but it will suffice for 75% of the people out there.
So will you be working on upgrades for the PDK?
 
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Originally Posted by Neil Switzer
Nobody knows what the engine will take yet, heck everyone was in an engine building frenzy with the 996tt and the 997tt years ago when it was believed that you could only take the metzger engine to 600hp or the rods will come out...
Thank you ... that was exactly my point.
 
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Like I told Bob, I will challenge the information and post back.

Please don't shoot the messenger guys
Any word back yet?
 
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Any word back yet?
The guy made it back to Kuwait for 3 days before he had to fly back out on a family issue.

I did manage to speak with him while he was there.
He promised to compile tech data and documentation on what similarities and differences there are between the 2 engines.

He backtracked a bit on his earlier statements but still insists on there being many similarities between the two engines and that the new engine can make significantly more power than it currently does without having to worry about internals, but wouldn't provide a figure (naturally).

I will push him some more on provided the documentation. If he does, I will forward the documents to someone who can make more of them than me (perhaps Bobby).

If he does not, well then...
 
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Originally Posted by jamuz
guys, racing is a tough comparison cause in pro racing where cost really isn't an issue, porsche uses a LOT of stuff that doesn't appear on my beloved 997.1 modded tt or on ANY road going model, including the car it's homologated off of, the 3.8 gt3: sequential dogbox, suspension, c/f fenders, exhaust, batteries, and i'm guessing radiators too, to name a few. i'm sure the tranny on my tt would blow up in a 24hr race too but i didn't consider that when i bot the car. the RSR is about BALANCE between mechanical grip, aero grip, and power/endurance, very little of which is available to us on the street, and that balance is to win races at the limit. i'm no wetsumper, but pounding the unfort few who bot 997.2 tt's or pdk junkies sounds oddly like aircooled guys saying watercooling would be the end of the 911. face it, road cars are ALL very soft in many ways vs a true race car and will never compare nicely, and if u think your 997.1 tt is a modern gt1, i beg u to go stand next to one and say it again with a straight face!
+1 Lol
 
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Originally Posted by bullmrkt
I've been debating whether or not to get a 997.1 or pony up for a 2010- 997TT, but you just put the nail in the coffin...

Save ~$65k on a 08-09 vs 997.2, put $20k in the engine and have a reliable 750hp daily driver (and you're still up $45k on a new car). No brainer.

This is what i did + on 2013 they will release the 998 so 997.2 will be old
 


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