Dang Mike. You're going work those little A28s to death--lol. And I thought your set-up was already optimized to the max! Good going!

Thanks for the clarification Tom. Your set-up is truly impressive! Congrats.

 

Guys these 68mm hit so hard you would not believe 2nd & 3rd gear pulls harder than 1st gear on my old 63.5 tuned from Todd K

 

What's your point? Hmmm....$25K+ vs $10K (if that). I would hope so. When are you going to post some verified vbox times? That way we can actually see some Gs.

 

Sounds impressive! But then again the butt-o-meter is not a calibrated measurement (well at least mine isn't). Milou made a 60-130 run of 6.3s or so which implies that the "puny" 63.5 wheel is quite capable. Let's see you beat that! Still waiting for your pbox numbers! (Cue the sound of crickets).

 

Thought that poster from Turkey already ran 5.5s with a champion car?

 

Yes he did with two on board. Very impressive indeed. It would interesting to see what the times would be with one on board.

 

With all due respect Dave, if you start with a bone stock car, there's no way the Proto upgrade is $10k...I've priced it out. Our $25k gets you a complete kit, completely different turbo, and tons of carbon parts too. When you look at what parts are included in our kit (everything pictured below), it's one hell of a value, especially if you shop around. Apples to oranges.



http://www.championmotorsport.com/pr...-997t-1-pk.htm

Hey Bogg....check the official 6Speed rankings for username KerCar....he's got the exact same package as AroneTT. He ran 5.50....also QUITE capable.

 

Totally agree Tom, apples to oranges which is why I don't understand the specific reference to another tuner except perhaps to incite something. Your AUC curve justifies your fast times that for sure. And I didn't even measure it out to 7200 which is about where you would be at 130 mph. As for pricing, you'd have to check with Proto for exact numbers but here was my thinking. Tune is $3K, .2ICs $1K, clutch $2K, turbos $2K that adds up to $8K in parts, then another $2K for install for a total of $10K. This will get you below 7s, 60-130. Not bad, but I agree your package is also a great value and you get a whole lot of performance. It's good to have all these terrific options. PS I forgot to add in the exhaust but the main point is different strokes for different folks.

 

I don't mean any disrespect but I was hoping to see the numbers replicated in North America. I understand that it was a VERIFIED number just like Skand's numbers with the APR tune but interestingly those numbers were never replicated by anyone in NA as far as I know. Why does that matter? It shouldn't really but nonetheless I'd still like to see it since there are a number of cars here in NA with the package.

It's no secret that I've just purchased a set of Proto upgraded vtgs. I'll keep them for a couple of years and if I crave more power then these 68 vtgs are interesting to me b/c they provide the performance of Alphas while retaining stock boost control, which I prefer.

 

Asher,

FWIW, one of the people involved in testing the CMS car in Turkey is known to me personally and is very credible. He confirmed to me the validity of those numbers.

 

^^ Agreed 100%. Options are a good thing. True...you could put that package together for that price, but that package could not compete with what we offer from a performance standpoint. There's just too many parts missing....headers, better IC's, y-pipe, plenum/TB.

To do it apples to apples from a performance perspective, you'd have to compare ours to a GT30-based kit. Then the gap in pricing certainly goes away....in fact we'd have the advantage on pricing there. And to top it all off...you're still getting a higher level of performance from our 68's. Sorry if I sound a little ****y...but I'm REALLY proud of what we've accomplished with these turbos. I mean, such a high level of performance from a 100% VTG-based and entirely bolt-on power kit is just amazing IMO.

 

I don't doubt the numbers, they were verified. But it does make me doubly happy to know you personally vouch for the guy. I'd rep you again but the stinkin' system says I've repped you too much already and need to share the reps with others.

 

Thanks Asher! That means a lot to me.

 

Tom,
I don't see the turbo inlet pipes in the picture or as part of the package on your site, how much extra are they?

 

The picture is of our 65mm Billet VTG kit. I posted that picture because a comparison was being made to a standard 63.5mm VTG upgrade kit. Our 65mm kit is the closest we offer to that.

The only additional piece you need with the 68mm kit is the inlet pipes. They are $3495.