997.2 vs 997.1 Turbo
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Cann - thanks for all your contribution of you sharing your knowledge and opinions. I am shopping for a used 997 and I was torn b/t .1 and .2. Knowing that I want a manual (just personal choice) and I dont care too much about NAV/BT, I am seriously considering .1 with mid 20-30k miles. BTW, Ive read your detailed Bilstein thread. It was awesome
Regarding 20-30k miles: If possible see if you could hold out for one with lower mileage - I don't think there will be a big premium as far as low mileage on a used Turbo (purely guessing - anyone corrects me as needed).
For other people: as mentioned if anyone thinks OEM (versus after-market like Dension or Mobridge) touchscreen nav/bluetooth/ipod are important, 2009 997.1 Turbo has these options. 2009 is the last year of 997.1 Turbo.
Manual transmission: Yes, yes, yes! PDK *could* be among the costliest mistakes any Porsche enthusiast ever makes. Unless you are an automatic type of guy (nothing wrong with this), don't do it unless you have tested it multiple, numerous, and several
times. Faster? Yes. More involving? Definitely questionable for some (not all)!BTW, another interesting topic: Not a problem yet since these cars are new and still in warranty, for long term owners eventually IMHO the cost of replacing PDK down the line will be a big problem. This could be sobering as apparently the unit has to be replaced in whole, right? 20-30k, does anyone know?
My prediction: PDK is a risk for anyone wanting to own car beyond warranty. God bless the soul with the courage to launch control at 3 year, 11 months!
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At the time I was looking to purchase my 997tt, I was looking at a very well optioned 997.2 C4S PDK. Practically brand new at the same price. As much as the PDK was pushed in my household (the girlfriend doesn't drive manual), I couldn't do it. It's too clinical. Call me old fashioned, call me crazy... it was a deal breaker.
Maybe, in 10 years time, I'll re think my choice, but at that time we'll all be zipping around in mind controlled, solar powered, flying cars...
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I agree with cannga 100% on the manual vs automatic issue. I drove both a PDK and a 6 speed, before purchasing my 6 speed 911. The salesman was all gung-ho on the PDK, until I told him that driving the PDK car was like "kissing your sister". I felt much more "involved" with the car with the 6 speed.
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+1.....so true
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I'm sorry petey has gone-I wish he'd come back!I bought my 997 gen 2 turbo this year and I've never looked back,man!When I read the Car and Driver comparo,Vette ZR1 v 997 gen2 turbo,April 2010,and the Porsche won,I was mighty impressed!They said,"for 2010,the Porsche turbo has simply got a whole lot better".I knew it was time to get that gen 2 Porsche!And I don't think it will be my last.Not when the 991 turbo comes out,mooted,already to be capable of 7m20's on the Ring,on this forum.What a car that is going to be!Re cannga and 20 inch rims-yeh,when one gets that big on wheel diameter,one might think in terms of the law of diminishing returns,but,Porsche would not fit a bigger rim for "style",if it didn't enhance performance too.I understand that the 991 had been designed from the outset for 20 inch rims on the higher performance versions.And don't all cars tighten their line when when subject to a throttle lift??Even a Bilstein equipped car will do it.Even my sedan,when I switch of the cruise control,it tightens its line on the freeway.Not excessively,but just about every car known to man does that,doesn't it?!It is well known that 997 turbos suffer from this excessively and feel twitchy,that's why I got excited when the gen 2 came out,much improved in every way.When you look at lap times of GT2 Porsches against regular turbos of the following generation,the new one is always more than a match.I mean,just compare 993 GT2 with 996 turbo,then 996GT2 with 997 turbo.Yep,the new one is equal or better;that is progress,man!We can be sure the 991 turbo will have the measure of the 997 GT2 and maybe even get real close to the Gt2 RS.Yeh,man,petey knows what he is talking about!He must be an interesting guy.Now,I'm just a neutral party,like to read rather than post,but sometimes it's time to chime in,man....Lastly,yep,the 997 gen 2 turbo is the one to get,over the gen 1,in case anyone was wondering.The engine,IMO,is better-lighter,lower c of g,bigger bore,bigger capacity,better matched turbo installation giving much wider power band-freer revving at the top and yet with more bottom end than ever before,smoother,better economy.That new engine is the future and I reckon it's ultimate power capability will be very high....Lastly,if the gen 1 turbo is better,overall,than the gen 2,I want to hear from those gen 2 owners who have traded in and upgraded to gen 1.Has any owner done that yet?Hey man,you could end up with $20,000 in the bank plus a better car....
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The price for exclusivity
996 GT2 for ~102K vs 997.2 GT3 for ~105K
I agree that newer technology is usually better.
The price for an exclusive car is questionable like a 2012 911 Black Edition when the 991 is so very near. I realize this is a diversion from GT2/GT3 discussions but worth thought.
Is the Gt2 without nannies really worth the newer GT3?
Not to me.
I agree that newer technology is usually better.
The price for an exclusive car is questionable like a 2012 911 Black Edition when the 991 is so very near. I realize this is a diversion from GT2/GT3 discussions but worth thought.
Is the Gt2 without nannies really worth the newer GT3?
Not to me.
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Is the latest technology better??
Remember when the digital watches came out?. Darn it... perfect timing ... accurate up to the nano second or something like that, no need to wind the sucker up... perfect.... or was it?? It's also boring as hell, did not have the WOW factor, got superseded every 20 minutes or so, had no personality and was just another copy made from a copy by a mindless machine in the corner of a mindless factory. So Breitling's, Rolex's and others started a new lease on life resurrected by afficionades and people with taste and the means to pay for them. I think Porsche should start to slap an "assembled by Hermann Schoenesleben" (or whomever put the engine together) label on each engine and maintain exclusivity with a hand polished gear stick and a personalized cigar holder next to the ignition key or somewhere there... You get my drift!! That is one of the reasons I like a Porsche and its good old Fachwerkmanshaft whereby the paint looks like freshly spritzed onto the naked body even after 10 years or more.... wow.. now there is a thought!!
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. I gotta say he sure could tell a story though. Talent like that belongs on the Jerry Seinfied show .
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. So what you are saying is 1st place on this particular ban is likely a photo finish. Oh well...just as well there is no money involved on bets then. An argument may break out.
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^^^^This thread is heading straight for 6000 hits based alone on the good jokes (sometimes non intended - see the infamous 100-mph-curve lift-throttle test below).
I wouldn't get the 997.1 turbo...the car suffered from excessive "throttle steer".Lift off on a steady radius 100mph curve 
,pulling,say a moderate 0.7 g,and there was enough reaction to "tuck in" and switch lanes quite smartly,with no change to the steering wheel position.The 997.2 doesn't do that 
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,pulling,say a moderate 0.7 g,and there was enough reaction to "tuck in" and switch lanes quite smartly,with no change to the steering wheel position.The 997.2 doesn't do that ,Last edited by cannga; Nov 3, 2011 at 08:52 PM.
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