Warning to All 996TT and GT2 owners
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Originally Posted by Dr_jitsu
2/3 of the full Protomotive package on stock internals.
"Completely agree, stock for stock the m3 will beat 996 carrerra's and thats more of the fair race since they are both NA. its not fair to put m3 and he 996tt in the same league stock for stock. NA vs twin turbos"
I also concur: It is ludicrous to believe that an N/A platform can compete w/ one built for FI.
PS I was not the one neg repping
"Completely agree, stock for stock the m3 will beat 996 carrerra's and thats more of the fair race since they are both NA. its not fair to put m3 and he 996tt in the same league stock for stock. NA vs twin turbos"
I also concur: It is ludicrous to believe that an N/A platform can compete w/ one built for FI.
PS I was not the one neg repping
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Originally Posted by Dr_jitsu
I also concur: It is ludicrous to believe that an N/A platform can compete w/ one built for FI.
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Originally Posted by heavychevy
Only if the displacements are similar, bigger displacement can yeild as much power as smaller with FI (American Muscle) and at any HP level equal amounts of NA horsepower is greater because of power under the curve, no lag, no building boost (S/C).
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Originally Posted by heavychevy
I didnt know that about the M3 but none of my wheels have had improper offsets and I would think some form of modification would be neccesary, but it's neither here nor there as as I'm concerned.
As far as having a back seat, blah blah blah, no one buys a TT to haul stuff around in, at least not that I've heard of. Why not get a turbo mustang? Turbo Integra or Civic 4 door, Hell buy a turbo Grand national and run 8's and have comfy seating they all have useable back seats. Starting to sound like ricer arugments to me. Cheaper this cheaper that. The majority of folks on this board dont buy a TT for cost effectiveness or having to be the fastest car on the street (except for a few exceptions I.E Markski, VR) but they wanted a Porsche and could afford it, not an M3.
Stock for stock TT > M3
Mod for Mod TT > M3
$ for $ M3 > TT
when you add methanol and all that crap you put your car even one step closer to blowing up if you run out or a wire gets disconnected.
The M3 is one formidable car and has earned the respect it gets but comparing it to an already more expensive but better platform based on money inveseted is a waist IMO.
As far as having a back seat, blah blah blah, no one buys a TT to haul stuff around in, at least not that I've heard of. Why not get a turbo mustang? Turbo Integra or Civic 4 door, Hell buy a turbo Grand national and run 8's and have comfy seating they all have useable back seats. Starting to sound like ricer arugments to me. Cheaper this cheaper that. The majority of folks on this board dont buy a TT for cost effectiveness or having to be the fastest car on the street (except for a few exceptions I.E Markski, VR) but they wanted a Porsche and could afford it, not an M3.
Stock for stock TT > M3
Mod for Mod TT > M3
$ for $ M3 > TT
when you add methanol and all that crap you put your car even one step closer to blowing up if you run out or a wire gets disconnected.
The M3 is one formidable car and has earned the respect it gets but comparing it to an already more expensive but better platform based on money inveseted is a waist IMO.
I'm not claiming the M3 is superior to the 996tt in any way, turbo or not. Just stating that it can be more practical *if thats what you want*, and done at a lower cost, which is a concern for many. Like I said, different strokes/different folks.... the beauty of this country.
I simply poked my head into this thread to correct some of the misinformation being started regarding the M3......
No way 11" wide wheel can fit without some major modification. Even my iforged 10.5 with 295 michelin PS2's were resting on the inner body of the M3 fender well, it sucked
Either way, it really doesn't matter. Any chassis engineer will agree that wheel width is rather low on the list of importance when discussing traction issues in a situation like this.
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If all you care about is straight line speed just strap a rocket on your car and call it a day. I don't think the M3 can handle any more than 400WHP. Sure the engine can make a lot of more but can you turn the car with them?
Any car can be made fast in the straight line. You can make a Daewoo beat an enzo. SO WHAT?
Any car can be made fast in the straight line. You can make a Daewoo beat an enzo. SO WHAT?
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Also, the S-Car-Go/Protomotive package on my car is one that has been done repeatedly on many cars with hundreds of thousands of trouble free miles on pump gas. And these cars have consistently run low-mid 11's in the quarter (just see the TT shoutout for proof: The similar S-car-Go package, except it has 20 les hp ran mid 11's on a bad day).
How many M3's can say this? Of course our cars were not built for drag racing, but the numbers are impressive nonetheless.
How many M3's can say this? Of course our cars were not built for drag racing, but the numbers are impressive nonetheless.
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Originally Posted by Gabriel
If all you care about is straight line speed just strap a rocket on your car and call it a day. I don't think the M3 can handle any more than 400WHP. Sure the engine can make a lot of more but can you turn the car with them?
Any car can be made fast in the straight line. You can make a Daewoo beat an enzo. SO WHAT?
Any car can be made fast in the straight line. You can make a Daewoo beat an enzo. SO WHAT?
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Originally Posted by Spencer
Either way, it really doesn't matter. Any chassis engineer will agree that wheel width is rather low on the list of importance when discussing traction issues in a situation like this.
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Originally Posted by Gabriel
If all you care about is straight line speed just strap a rocket on your car and call it a day. I don't think the M3 can handle any more than 400WHP. Sure the engine can make a lot of more but can you turn the car with them?
Any car can be made fast in the straight line. You can make a Daewoo beat an enzo. SO WHAT?
Any car can be made fast in the straight line. You can make a Daewoo beat an enzo. SO WHAT?
Reliability also comes into play when discussing a "total package" performance car.
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Originally Posted by Gabriel
If all you care about is straight line speed just strap a rocket on your car and call it a day. I don't think the M3 can handle any more than 400WHP. Sure the engine can make a lot of more but can you turn the car with them?
Any car can be made fast in the straight line. You can make a Daewoo beat an enzo. SO WHAT?
Any car can be made fast in the straight line. You can make a Daewoo beat an enzo. SO WHAT?
Any car can be made faster, agreed. Many seem not to understand that here.
Also, the S-Car-Go/Protomotive package on my car is one that has been done repeatedly on many cars with hundreds of thousands of trouble free miles on pump gas. And these cars have consistently run low-mid 11's in the quarter (just see the TT shoutout for proof: The similar S-car-Go package, except it has 20 les hp ran mid 11's on a bad day).
How many M3's can say this? Of course our cars were not built for drag racing, but the numbers are impressive nonetheless.
How many M3's can say this? Of course our cars were not built for drag racing, but the numbers are impressive nonetheless.
I dont know of any P-cars that have ran a better time at my track. I rather compare cars at the same track rather then across country track comparisons (tracks can make HUGE differences).
Fact is more P-cars have been worked on. Last year this time there were 40 SC'd M3's, now there are maybe 200. Give it some time and it will jump, then we will see more turbo ones as well.
And ill bet my money on a SC'd M3 beating a powerful 996tt on the track (road course).
Good point! That's why I wouldn't trade my GT2 GT700 for a 1000RWHP M3, even though the M3 is a great car.
Reliability also comes into play when discussing a "total package" performance car.
Reliability also comes into play when discussing a "total package" performance car.
I wouldnt trade the M3 for a 996tt as well. All personal preference.
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And ill bet my money on a SC'd M3 beating a powerful 996tt on the track (road course).
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You know what Scm3 almost all the guys here that have commented have proof of what their cars can do. You got any time slips, dyno charts etc.
Just wondering.
Oh and no links to sites with magazine numbers and such. Real world stuff and lets try to watch our mouths and be civil. Use ^!^^!!%@%@% instead.
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Just wondering.
Oh and no links to sites with magazine numbers and such. Real world stuff and lets try to watch our mouths and be civil. Use ^!^^!!%@%@% instead.
Thank you
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Originally Posted by SCM3
So now the M3 cant handle? I
Any car can be made faster, agreed. Many seem not to understand that here.
Any car can be made faster, agreed. Many seem not to understand that here.
The main advantage of the 996TT when it comes to traction is not its huge rear tires. But the position of the engine adding more vertical force and increasing the static/sliding friction coefficient of the rear wheels and minimizing weight transfer.
As for the track, cars don't beat other cars on their own. It's mostly a driver's game.
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Someone needs to start a Veyron owners forum so all these clowns can go over there and tell them how stupid they are for not buying a modded ________ and investing the other million or so in real estate or whatever. 