997.2 vs 997.1 Turbo
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Alpine 927, you keep the steering controls. Or bear with it and wait till someone makes a worth it working mobile repeater.
I believe the 09 were the first with Porsche Torque Vectoring. You dont need that either.
Honestly I would have rather gotten a base model and added the stuff I wanted.
Lets see list of stuff that doesnt matter
-PCCB or regular ( its really a preference if you wanna pay 1000+$ for the pride of yellow brakes and the replacement rotors are
)
- Seats, had em all and the worst seats I find are the wanna be sport seats, they are never as supportive as sport seats and never as comfy for long drives as the standards
- Porsche Torque Vectoring, I just dont know what to say about the need at 9/10ths to be saved from a 360, dont drive at 9/10s on a public road?
- Transmission, seriously it doesnt make you a man and the Tip is faster and more fun to drive on a daily basis. Put it this way I wished I had my tip back when I was driving a buddies 6spd
- Miles dont matter unless they are extreme in either direction
Dont buy a car with tons of mods or either dont pay a premium for it. Look if someone has done all these mods, and Im not talking a tune or an exhaust. I am saying if a guy is changing shocks, springs, etc Ask him for his or her pro racing card. This car for the most part can out drive you. Its not its fault you think your times are lower because of it. Porsche didnt spend millions on R&D when all they needed was to head to NAPA and have some spring ordered up to "fix" it.
Or course if you are truly into track, there is a car for that its called a GT3.
Buy one that is stock, who cares what it has, then add your touches after you find the things you dont like. If you need a new suspension setup then YOU get it, dont pay for someone elses mods or mistakes. again a tune or exhaust is no biggie
I believe the 09 were the first with Porsche Torque Vectoring. You dont need that either.
Honestly I would have rather gotten a base model and added the stuff I wanted.
Lets see list of stuff that doesnt matter
-PCCB or regular ( its really a preference if you wanna pay 1000+$ for the pride of yellow brakes and the replacement rotors are
) - Seats, had em all and the worst seats I find are the wanna be sport seats, they are never as supportive as sport seats and never as comfy for long drives as the standards
- Porsche Torque Vectoring, I just dont know what to say about the need at 9/10ths to be saved from a 360, dont drive at 9/10s on a public road?
- Transmission, seriously it doesnt make you a man and the Tip is faster and more fun to drive on a daily basis. Put it this way I wished I had my tip back when I was driving a buddies 6spd
- Miles dont matter unless they are extreme in either direction
Dont buy a car with tons of mods or either dont pay a premium for it. Look if someone has done all these mods, and Im not talking a tune or an exhaust. I am saying if a guy is changing shocks, springs, etc Ask him for his or her pro racing card. This car for the most part can out drive you. Its not its fault you think your times are lower because of it. Porsche didnt spend millions on R&D when all they needed was to head to NAPA and have some spring ordered up to "fix" it.
Or course if you are truly into track, there is a car for that its called a GT3.
Buy one that is stock, who cares what it has, then add your touches after you find the things you dont like. If you need a new suspension setup then YOU get it, dont pay for someone elses mods or mistakes. again a tune or exhaust is no biggie
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I look at it this way, I buy what I need for what I need. Granted it might be some of the better or best.
If I need a track car and its a porsche: gt3
If I want a supercar level daily drive and its a porsche: 911 TT
Some things are overkill or not needed, I dont need a concealed carry pistol to be a sniper pistol, it needs to go bang, Granted I do like Wilson combat and Vickers but I am not losing sleep if they hand me what I hate the most a glock.
There is never going to be a family hauler that will tow a boat, drive with the best on the track, and a comfy touring car. There are cars that try to touch those but it will be a jack of all master of none ( like a Viper if there are any Pointy nose drivers here)
I frankly don't think you get a 911 turbo to sound like a lambo or some other v10+. I dont think you get it for a look, or for a track demon.
I think you get it to marvel at a piece of Art in the German way. A car that does so much so brutally well. I picture someone asking Porsche, "it would be nice if..." and hearing " oh ja vee can do that " and when it happens you find your self smiling every time you do it.... till someone says they are missing the unsettling feeling you get that makes you feel like you are really driving. Then you ask was I really having fun........ till it dawns on you, YES I was WTF was that person talking about?
I watch this and say, yup thats exactly what I want.
Right it can drive through corners better than you can, and guess what you can enjoy the total speed. I love the speed the 911 TT gives me, everything it does, it seems to do it fast and better than me.
Why?
For me Combat air or ground puts different skillsets into perspective, you will always have rivalries, but honest some dudes are better at different things and guess what its ok. I love how fast and sensible is gets things done. Thats me, I appreciate the fun banter about whats better, but if I am honest..... you have to ask yourself what am I looking for and what do I really need? What am i gonna be doing with it to need all that?
read this to help decide, remember read it and apply to how you drive.
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...rential-2.html
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I look at it this way, I buy what I need for what I need. Granted it might be some of the better or best.
If I need a track car and its a porsche: gt3
If I want a supercar level daily drive and its a porsche: 911 TT
Some things are overkill or not needed, I dont need a concealed carry pistol to be a sniper pistol, it needs to go bang, Granted I do like Wilson combat and Vickers but I am not losing sleep if they hand me what I hate the most a glock.
There is never going to be a family hauler that will tow a boat, drive with the best on the track, and a comfy touring car. There are cars that try to touch those but it will be a jack of all master of none ( like a Viper if there are any Pointy nose drivers here)
I frankly don't think you get a 911 turbo to sound like a lambo or some other v10+. I dont think you get it for a look, or for a track demon.
I think you get it to marvel at a piece of Art in the German way. A car that does so much so brutally well. I picture someone asking Porsche, "it would be nice if..." and hearing " oh ja vee can do that " and when it happens you find your self smiling every time you do it.... till someone says they are missing the unsettling feeling you get that makes you feel like you are really driving. Then you ask was I really having fun........ till it dawns on you, YES I was WTF was that person talking about?
I watch this and say, yup thats exactly what I want. BBC: Ferrari v Porsche 911: Jeremy Sees The Light - Top Gear - YouTube
Right it can drive through corners better than you can, and guess what you can enjoy the total speed. I love the speed the 911 TT gives me, everything it does, it seems to do it fast and better than me.
Why?
For me Combat air or ground puts different skillsets into perspective, you will always have rivalries, but honest some dudes are better at different things and guess what its ok. I love how fast and sensible is gets things done. Thats me, I appreciate the fun banter about whats better, but if I am honest..... you have to ask yourself what am I looking for and what do I really need? What am i gonna be doing with it to need all that?
read this to help decide, remember read it and apply to how you drive.
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...rential-2.html
If I need a track car and its a porsche: gt3
If I want a supercar level daily drive and its a porsche: 911 TT
Some things are overkill or not needed, I dont need a concealed carry pistol to be a sniper pistol, it needs to go bang, Granted I do like Wilson combat and Vickers but I am not losing sleep if they hand me what I hate the most a glock.
There is never going to be a family hauler that will tow a boat, drive with the best on the track, and a comfy touring car. There are cars that try to touch those but it will be a jack of all master of none ( like a Viper if there are any Pointy nose drivers here)
I frankly don't think you get a 911 turbo to sound like a lambo or some other v10+. I dont think you get it for a look, or for a track demon.
I think you get it to marvel at a piece of Art in the German way. A car that does so much so brutally well. I picture someone asking Porsche, "it would be nice if..." and hearing " oh ja vee can do that " and when it happens you find your self smiling every time you do it.... till someone says they are missing the unsettling feeling you get that makes you feel like you are really driving. Then you ask was I really having fun........ till it dawns on you, YES I was WTF was that person talking about?
I watch this and say, yup thats exactly what I want. BBC: Ferrari v Porsche 911: Jeremy Sees The Light - Top Gear - YouTube
Right it can drive through corners better than you can, and guess what you can enjoy the total speed. I love the speed the 911 TT gives me, everything it does, it seems to do it fast and better than me.
Why?
For me Combat air or ground puts different skillsets into perspective, you will always have rivalries, but honest some dudes are better at different things and guess what its ok. I love how fast and sensible is gets things done. Thats me, I appreciate the fun banter about whats better, but if I am honest..... you have to ask yourself what am I looking for and what do I really need? What am i gonna be doing with it to need all that?
read this to help decide, remember read it and apply to how you drive.
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...rential-2.html
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I read this thread back in 2011.
Just read it now after buying my C2S... Makes me happy that I happen to have waited the long haul to get things I WANTED like:
-PASM
-***
-Sport Steering wheel (leather)
-Sport Shifter
-PCCB...
With all of these great things, I have decided not to get a TT as soon as I thought I would, but rest assured, my next ride will likely be a 2009 TT coupe with the above options!
Just read it now after buying my C2S... Makes me happy that I happen to have waited the long haul to get things I WANTED like:
-PASM
-***
-Sport Steering wheel (leather)
-Sport Shifter
-PCCB...
With all of these great things, I have decided not to get a TT as soon as I thought I would, but rest assured, my next ride will likely be a 2009 TT coupe with the above options!
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Read this thread a while ago and now:
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ml#post3988382
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ml#post3988382
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Cannga, Boy, finding your thread made me feel good about my recent purchase. It's a white/black 2009 TT, 6 speed, PCCB, Cl's with grey finish, limited slip, sports chrono, sports shifter, thick sports steering wheel, heated adaptive sports seats, XM, bluetooth, interface, yellow belts, CPO, I love driving this car. It replaced a Ferrari 550 Maranello and there's no comparison. BTW, I completely agree with your prospective on the PCCB's. Bryan
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Wish I could find one like this in GT silver please! 
Cannga, Boy, finding your thread made me feel good about my recent purchase. It's a white/black 2009 TT, 6 speed, PCCB, Cl's with grey finish, limited slip, sports chrono, sports shifter, thick sports steering wheel, heated adaptive sports seats, XM, bluetooth, interface, yellow belts, CPO, I love driving this car. It replaced a Ferrari 550 Maranello and there's no comparison. BTW, I completely agree with your prospective on the PCCB's. Bryan
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Cannga, Boy, finding your thread made me feel good about my recent purchase. It's a white/black 2009 TT, 6 speed, PCCB, Cl's with grey finish, limited slip, sports chrono, sports shifter, thick sports steering wheel, heated adaptive sports seats, XM, bluetooth, interface, yellow belts, CPO, I love driving this car. It replaced a Ferrari 550 Maranello and there's no comparison. BTW, I completely agree with your prospective on the PCCB's. Bryan
Enjoy the brake and be glad that someone else has taken the $ hit for you. It was the most difficult option box that I ever had to check, but once the feel of being stopped by the hands of God
sink in, there is really no going back. Have a happy and healthy new year and drive safely. Aaron - when are you going to join the club? Hurry before the used Turbo's gain more mileage and become less special!
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cannga, Thanks for the insights, your threads have been tremendously educational for a newbie like me. I joined the PCA the week I bought the car (a couple of weeks ago from Rusnak), I think my regional choice was the LA chapter, I live in Palos Verdes. I'm really enjoying the TT, and I'll wait awhile before deciding if I should go mod crazy. I am changing the rocker panels and rear valance from white to black, a personal choice, the front lip is already black. If I do start modding I'm assuming you'd recommend the list reflected in your post? If I ever pull the trigger I'll have to get your advice on who should do the work. I'm going to have it serviced at Pacific Porsche, my local dealer and the owner is a personal friend, so that works well. I knew when the car showed up on Rusnak's site sans pictures that the specs were unusual and desirable. I went and checked out the car the next day and purchased it on the spot. Miles are a little higher than normal at 27,000, but the car is cosmetically just about perfect, and it's a CPO car. I'm putting a new clear bra on it, and probably replacing the windshield which has suffered from LA's third world road conditions. I'm having fun!
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In a recent discussion, someone asked me about 997.2 versus 997.1 Turbo. Up until now, I have thought that any new model Porsche will be "better" than previous model and will at least make it *look* obsolete. (And if you've read my criticism of stock 997.1 Turbo's suspension and exhaust, you know I don't pull punches just because I own this car.) However the 997.1 Turbo has a huge trump card, and that is the Mezger engine. Between new turbo engine of 997.2 versus old Mezger turbo engine of 997.1, I used to think I don't care which engine as long as power is delivered, but the more I think about it, the more I am leaning towards changing my opinion. In another thread upgrading 997.2 turbo 6speed manual Tom of Champion was talking about the internals of 997.2 Turbo engine and mentioned restriction of fuel system and rods testing 25% weaker. What crossed my mind reading his post is...what else is weaker in the 997.2 engine?
The only exception I would add is this: With respect to suspension, if you are never going to mod the suspension, then the 997.2 Turbo is the better choice. Its PASM system is the second generation and is much superior than 997.1, which was Porsche's first attempt at PASM and somewhat of a design flaw (why a number of people here use Bilstein coilover or lowering springs). 997.1's PASM is either way too soft or way too stiff between the 2 suspension settings, 997.2's PASM is a lot more useable and smoother on the stiffer setting. There were a number of other revisions (spring rate, sway bar, PTM system) that make 997.2 better - the advantage of 4 years of experience. In order of suspension ranking I would rank thus, not for everyone, only for those looking for a more aggressive handling car: Bilstein 997.2 > Bilstein 997.1 > stock 997.2 >>> stock 997.1.
So, perhaps 997.1 Turbo, mainly because of the Mezger engine, will go down in history as the best Turbo ever? Perhaps owners of these cars should hold on and not sell? Perhaps potential owners should look for low mileage samples of 997.1, and not 997.2? For sure, for the purpose of modding, there will NEVER again be an engine that is as mod-friendly and as robust as the Mezger engine. (It is simply too expensive to be made nowadays.) Unlike the Mezger GT3 engine, which has problem with RMS leak, the Mezger Turbo is THE perfect engine.
Bottom line: IMHO anyone here looking to buy a used Turbo, if you see a low mile 997.1 Turbo, with PCCB/Chrono/Adaptive Sport Seat -- jump on it! All 3 years of Mezger Turbo's, 2007 to 2009, are remarkably trouble free. Just look at this board (versus a BMW board for example) then it should become obvious to you. The most common problem is leaking from the powered steering and brake slave cylinder, but that is IMHO extremely minor compared to other potential problems with drivetrain, engine, electronics, etc. of world class sports cars, and it is easily diagnosed, easily fixed. It can't be "looked out" for in buying a used car either. In looking at used cars, more important to get the DME readout and check for overrev's, and look for a CPO, low mileage, non-modded car, preferably with PCCB. 2009 is most desirable because it has the new PCM 2 with bluetooth and ipod functions and touchscreen. You *can* add after-market bluetooth and ipod functions to 2007 and 2008 Turbo's (I use MoBridge in my 2008, work well in general and do all the functions but I don't recommend it because it has a beeping noise, a design flaw; Dension is probably the best choice at this point.) but as in all after-market products, they would have glitches here and there and will never be as good as OEM. My opinions-YMMV:
HIGH LEVEL CAN'T MISS OPTIONS:
PCCB, if you don't track (if you track, regular brake is safer): PCCB has same stopping distance as big red but significantly superior feel and "initial bite." People have likened the feel to being stopped by the hands of God :-). While PCCB is not for everyone, it is one of those things that IMHO you must try once in your life, and once you've tried it chances are you are not going to like the iron brake anymore. Also don't forget 35 lbs. reduction in unsprung weight and rotational mass, which also benefits steering, ride, and handling. The only time that I wouldn't recommend PCCB is if you track the car a lot AND don't have extra $$$ (complicated story, search forum; some people do use PCCB even on the track), otherwise for aggressive street use gen. II PCCB has proven to be around 100% reliable. BTW for all practical purposes the PCCB discs don't wear out, not until way past 100,000 per rumor anyway; you change the pads once every 35000 miles or so and that's it. Take this car quick before someone else on this forum does LOL.
*** - Adaptive Sport Seat: Far and away the best seat available. This hundred-thousand plus car it deserves this seat. Has deeper seat bolsters and deeper seat-back's bolsters to keep you in place when attacking those canyon curves. Very expensive to add later. I believe the only exception is if you are very large/heavy (no offense intended), in which case your torso may not fit comfortably because of the deep bolsters.
Sport Chrono (can be added but another costly pain). Another Sport Chrono Question - What else does SC do?
1. PSM (decreased with Sport Mode --- less intrusive)
2. PASM (increased with Sport Mode --- stiffer dampening)
3. PTM (the 4WD system becomes more rearward bias -- more power to rear)
4. TCU -- Tiptronic (more "sporty" shift pattern)
5. ECU (increased turbo boost)
6. ETC (more responsive electronic throttle control)
MID LEVEL CAN'T MISS:
Sport Steering Wheel (smaller diameter and thicker grip vs. multi function wheel). The Sport Steering Wheel has a round hub and the important thumb rests at 2 and 10 o'clock; this is the one you want. The Multi Function Wheel with a triangular hub and radio controls, etc., is not as desirable because it is slighter larger, with thinner grip (not good!), and most importantly does not have the thumb rests. Because it is so expensive to switch steering wheel, one could argue that this is a high level can't miss also.
Limited Slip Differential: so cheap as an option, so costly to add later. If owner ordered this option, he is a connoisseur and surely a member of some Porsche forum. :-)
COULD BE ADDED LATER:
Sport/Short Shifter (trust me you will love it): Perhaps not *that* critical because this could be added for only a few hundred bucks. In addition, it is fun to try the standard long one, THEN switch to be amazed by how different, and better, the shorter one feels. This SSK option is firmer, less rubbery, more precise. Huge improvement for so little money.
The only exception I would add is this: With respect to suspension, if you are never going to mod the suspension, then the 997.2 Turbo is the better choice. Its PASM system is the second generation and is much superior than 997.1, which was Porsche's first attempt at PASM and somewhat of a design flaw (why a number of people here use Bilstein coilover or lowering springs). 997.1's PASM is either way too soft or way too stiff between the 2 suspension settings, 997.2's PASM is a lot more useable and smoother on the stiffer setting. There were a number of other revisions (spring rate, sway bar, PTM system) that make 997.2 better - the advantage of 4 years of experience. In order of suspension ranking I would rank thus, not for everyone, only for those looking for a more aggressive handling car: Bilstein 997.2 > Bilstein 997.1 > stock 997.2 >>> stock 997.1.
So, perhaps 997.1 Turbo, mainly because of the Mezger engine, will go down in history as the best Turbo ever? Perhaps owners of these cars should hold on and not sell? Perhaps potential owners should look for low mileage samples of 997.1, and not 997.2? For sure, for the purpose of modding, there will NEVER again be an engine that is as mod-friendly and as robust as the Mezger engine. (It is simply too expensive to be made nowadays.) Unlike the Mezger GT3 engine, which has problem with RMS leak, the Mezger Turbo is THE perfect engine.
Bottom line: IMHO anyone here looking to buy a used Turbo, if you see a low mile 997.1 Turbo, with PCCB/Chrono/Adaptive Sport Seat -- jump on it! All 3 years of Mezger Turbo's, 2007 to 2009, are remarkably trouble free. Just look at this board (versus a BMW board for example) then it should become obvious to you. The most common problem is leaking from the powered steering and brake slave cylinder, but that is IMHO extremely minor compared to other potential problems with drivetrain, engine, electronics, etc. of world class sports cars, and it is easily diagnosed, easily fixed. It can't be "looked out" for in buying a used car either. In looking at used cars, more important to get the DME readout and check for overrev's, and look for a CPO, low mileage, non-modded car, preferably with PCCB. 2009 is most desirable because it has the new PCM 2 with bluetooth and ipod functions and touchscreen. You *can* add after-market bluetooth and ipod functions to 2007 and 2008 Turbo's (I use MoBridge in my 2008, work well in general and do all the functions but I don't recommend it because it has a beeping noise, a design flaw; Dension is probably the best choice at this point.) but as in all after-market products, they would have glitches here and there and will never be as good as OEM. My opinions-YMMV:
HIGH LEVEL CAN'T MISS OPTIONS:
PCCB, if you don't track (if you track, regular brake is safer): PCCB has same stopping distance as big red but significantly superior feel and "initial bite." People have likened the feel to being stopped by the hands of God :-). While PCCB is not for everyone, it is one of those things that IMHO you must try once in your life, and once you've tried it chances are you are not going to like the iron brake anymore. Also don't forget 35 lbs. reduction in unsprung weight and rotational mass, which also benefits steering, ride, and handling. The only time that I wouldn't recommend PCCB is if you track the car a lot AND don't have extra $$$ (complicated story, search forum; some people do use PCCB even on the track), otherwise for aggressive street use gen. II PCCB has proven to be around 100% reliable. BTW for all practical purposes the PCCB discs don't wear out, not until way past 100,000 per rumor anyway; you change the pads once every 35000 miles or so and that's it. Take this car quick before someone else on this forum does LOL.
*** - Adaptive Sport Seat: Far and away the best seat available. This hundred-thousand plus car it deserves this seat. Has deeper seat bolsters and deeper seat-back's bolsters to keep you in place when attacking those canyon curves. Very expensive to add later. I believe the only exception is if you are very large/heavy (no offense intended), in which case your torso may not fit comfortably because of the deep bolsters.
Sport Chrono (can be added but another costly pain). Another Sport Chrono Question - What else does SC do?
1. PSM (decreased with Sport Mode --- less intrusive)
2. PASM (increased with Sport Mode --- stiffer dampening)
3. PTM (the 4WD system becomes more rearward bias -- more power to rear)
4. TCU -- Tiptronic (more "sporty" shift pattern)
5. ECU (increased turbo boost)
6. ETC (more responsive electronic throttle control)
MID LEVEL CAN'T MISS:
Sport Steering Wheel (smaller diameter and thicker grip vs. multi function wheel). The Sport Steering Wheel has a round hub and the important thumb rests at 2 and 10 o'clock; this is the one you want. The Multi Function Wheel with a triangular hub and radio controls, etc., is not as desirable because it is slighter larger, with thinner grip (not good!), and most importantly does not have the thumb rests. Because it is so expensive to switch steering wheel, one could argue that this is a high level can't miss also.
Limited Slip Differential: so cheap as an option, so costly to add later. If owner ordered this option, he is a connoisseur and surely a member of some Porsche forum. :-)
COULD BE ADDED LATER:
Sport/Short Shifter (trust me you will love it): Perhaps not *that* critical because this could be added for only a few hundred bucks. In addition, it is fun to try the standard long one, THEN switch to be amazed by how different, and better, the shorter one feels. This SSK option is firmer, less rubbery, more precise. Huge improvement for so little money.
Thinking seriously about 991 turbo with 'high hopes' manual box will soon be offered. Trade in value for my baby is no option because for 997.1 turbos, trade-in value is in the toilet (KBB $58-60K).
Suggest a price for 997.1 turbo with chrono/6speed/adaptive sport seats/LSD/multi-func steering wheel/EP1 exh/ no other mods /steel brakes/no accidents/orig owner/new clutch/servo/flywheel seal/all new hoses/starter/mass air sensor/front axles & boots/heat exchanger/interstate batt & MischelinSSs w air-pres sensors/arctic silver/full AM-warranty to 75K(12/14) but with 62K miles as DD in Florida.
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Cannga, I look almost every day.. I think i'm too picky!
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This is a great thread with great info... as long as we keep in mind that it is based on one's opinion
For example, to me PCCB is one of those options I don't care for either way. If it's there great, if it's not great; definitely not a top priority must have like the locking diff. Again, my opinion.
I think the best advice is to do your research, figure out what you want, and hold out for the right-for-you car!
For example, to me PCCB is one of those options I don't care for either way. If it's there great, if it's not great; definitely not a top priority must have like the locking diff. Again, my opinion.
I think the best advice is to do your research, figure out what you want, and hold out for the right-for-you car!
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This is a great thread with great info... as long as we keep in mind that it is based on one's opinion
For example, to me PCCB is one of those options I don't care for either way. If it's there great, if it's not great; definitely not a top priority must have like the locking diff. Again, my opinion.
I think the best advice is to do your research, figure out what you want, and hold out for the right-for-you car!
For example, to me PCCB is one of those options I don't care for either way. If it's there great, if it's not great; definitely not a top priority must have like the locking diff. Again, my opinion.
I think the best advice is to do your research, figure out what you want, and hold out for the right-for-you car!
Yes, Big Red the standard brake is fantastic in its own right, and in fact, objectively, has same stopping distance as PCCB. I wouldn't mind owning a Turbo with standard brake at all!
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Excellent summary...with that kind of insight for the mechanics, etc of these outstanding machines, you gotta have some suggestion on worth (selling/buying price) for these 997.1 non-modded turbos?
Thinking seriously about 991 turbo with 'high hopes' manual box will soon be offered. Trade in value for my baby is no option because for 997.1 turbos, trade-in value is in the toilet (KBB $58-60K).
Suggest a price for 997.1 turbo with chrono/6speed/adaptive sport seats/LSD/multi-func steering wheel/EP1 exh/ no other mods /steel brakes/no accidents/orig owner/new clutch/servo/flywheel seal/all new hoses/starter/mass air sensor/front axles & boots/heat exchanger/interstate batt & MischelinSSs w air-pres sensors/arctic silver/full AM-warranty to 75K(12/14) but with 62K miles as DD in Florida.
Thinking seriously about 991 turbo with 'high hopes' manual box will soon be offered. Trade in value for my baby is no option because for 997.1 turbos, trade-in value is in the toilet (KBB $58-60K).
Suggest a price for 997.1 turbo with chrono/6speed/adaptive sport seats/LSD/multi-func steering wheel/EP1 exh/ no other mods /steel brakes/no accidents/orig owner/new clutch/servo/flywheel seal/all new hoses/starter/mass air sensor/front axles & boots/heat exchanger/interstate batt & MischelinSSs w air-pres sensors/arctic silver/full AM-warranty to 75K(12/14) but with 62K miles as DD in Florida.
