Almost in transition from 997S to Gt3
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I think there are more people with modification warranty paranoia than with Fico scores .
BTW -- a warranty is not a majic carpet . Here's one of many examples where even a full warranty on a bone stock car can still be a nightmare. https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...180-miles.html
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In my opinion Larry is making a mistake. I have had a TT 996 GT3 and a 997 GT3. Now I have a PDK. If you arent going to track it then its a waste. It will be like having a mistress when you absolutely love your wife. There is the high excitement in the beginning then her warts starts to show, she is always late, she wants to have the most expensive thing on the menu, blah blah blah. At first the GT3 is REALLY cool and it works SO well on the track, but then you want to take it to a get together and the road is really bumpy and the suspension is so stiff. And then you get stop in 2 hour stop and go traffic and your leg goes numb from shifting it with the GT3 clutch. Then you need to go to the city and you ruin the 4th front lip. Then you start driving the BMW instead of driving the GT3 and when you consider your not going to track it its just not worth it.
Oh I dont blame you, I hear the siren song. But its just not worth it. If you arent going to take it where it shines then its luster will go away in a couple months.
THe PDK C2S is so good It has all the tools to do especially what you say you want.
Oh I dont blame you, I hear the siren song. But its just not worth it. If you arent going to take it where it shines then its luster will go away in a couple months.
THe PDK C2S is so good It has all the tools to do especially what you say you want.
I can roll with this .
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I would think the dealer would have more potential customers to buy that car if it was stock. What could they re-sell the car for?
The mods attract a specfic buyer looking for top notch machine.
The installations were done with incredible talent and care. There's a lot of guys installing parts but not all are the same. There are a lot of car sale people but they are not the same either.
My cars are hand picked and customized to every detail . .
But most important is who does the work and how good is
his ability and to what extent he can stand behind his work and the car .
There's a lot of people who are very quick to grab money .
They are NOT the people I have working on my car .
They are NOT the people I give referrals to .
They are NOT the people I buy cars from or sell mine to .
That's why I think I will be able to buy a Gt3 and find happiness with the buying experience -- as I have been with 8 other Porsches of my past.
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No . Warranty is only voided if the mods effect that aspect .
I think there are more people with modification warranty paranoia than with Fico scores .
BTW -- a warranty is not a majic carpet . Here's one of many examples where even a full warranty on a bone stock car can still be a nightmare. https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...180-miles.html
I think there are more people with modification warranty paranoia than with Fico scores .
BTW -- a warranty is not a majic carpet . Here's one of many examples where even a full warranty on a bone stock car can still be a nightmare. https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...180-miles.html
Keep in mind that crossing the line into software upgrades does basically void your warranty. A lot of Porsche dealers will turn a blind eye to basic exhaust and suspension mods but draw the line at messing with the ECU. From what I have seen, a lot of dealers are clever at arguing why changes in the ECU can effect just about anything.
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If stock it could be CPO'd and sold . But no one would want it because a new one has the discounts .
The mods attract a specfic buyer looking for top notch machine.
The installations were done with incredible talent and care. There's a lot of guys installing parts but not all are the same. There are a lot of car sale people but they are not the same either.
My cars are hand picked and customized to every detail . .
But most important is who does the work and how good is
his ability and to what extent he can stand behind his work and the car .
There's a lot of people who are very quick to grab money .
They are NOT the people I have working on my car .
They are NOT the people I give referrals to .
They are NOT the people I buy cars from or sell mine to .
That's why I think I will be able to buy a Gt3 and find happiness with the buying experience -- as I have been with 8 other Porsches of my past.
The mods attract a specfic buyer looking for top notch machine.
The installations were done with incredible talent and care. There's a lot of guys installing parts but not all are the same. There are a lot of car sale people but they are not the same either.
My cars are hand picked and customized to every detail . .
But most important is who does the work and how good is
his ability and to what extent he can stand behind his work and the car .
There's a lot of people who are very quick to grab money .
They are NOT the people I have working on my car .
They are NOT the people I give referrals to .
They are NOT the people I buy cars from or sell mine to .
That's why I think I will be able to buy a Gt3 and find happiness with the buying experience -- as I have been with 8 other Porsches of my past.
I agree that in some rare cases an owner can get their money back when selling a very nicely modded car. However, usually they are cars like a Techart 997TT or Dinan M3-SR or a Spoon S2000 etc etc.....
Just curious what mods are done and who did them?
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In my opinion Larry is making a mistake. I have had a TT 996 GT3 and a 997 GT3. Now I have a PDK. If you arent going to track it then its a waste. It will be like having a mistress when you absolutely love your wife. There is the high excitement in the beginning then her warts starts to show, she is always late, she wants to have the most expensive thing on the menu, blah blah blah. At first the GT3 is REALLY cool and it works SO well on the track, but then you want to take it to a get together and the road is really bumpy and the suspension is so stiff. And then you get stop in 2 hour stop and go traffic and your leg goes numb from shifting it with the GT3 clutch. Then you need to go to the city and you ruin the 4th front lip. Then you start driving the BMW instead of driving the GT3 and when you consider your not going to track it its just not worth it.
Oh I dont blame you, I hear the siren song. But its just not worth it. If you arent going to take it where it shines then its luster will go away in a couple months.
THe PDK C2S is so good It has all the tools to do especially what you say you want.
Oh I dont blame you, I hear the siren song. But its just not worth it. If you arent going to take it where it shines then its luster will go away in a couple months.
THe PDK C2S is so good It has all the tools to do especially what you say you want.
While I think Larry should get the car he WANTS, your point is valid.
I also have to mention that any Porsche owner should really take their car to the track. I had no idea I was missing so much. Yeah I have done some performance driving events in my old M3 but taking my Porsche to the track was truly eye opening and hugely rewarding.
Tracking a car and getting an appreciation for both the stock attributes of the machine and also the modification you may have done almost has an opposite effect from what "Oldguy" was saying. Meaning, I love the stiffer/solid ride my Damptronics can provide because I know how well the suspension works on the track.
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What is the mod list of your 997S?
I agree that in some rare cases an owner can get their money back when selling a very nicely modded car. However, usually they are cars like a Techart 997TT or Dinan M3-SR or a Spoon S2000 etc etc.....
Just curious what mods are done and who did them?
Jason
I agree that in some rare cases an owner can get their money back when selling a very nicely modded car. However, usually they are cars like a Techart 997TT or Dinan M3-SR or a Spoon S2000 etc etc.....
Just curious what mods are done and who did them?
Jason
2) Damptronics
3) Paddles
4) Painted seat backs
5) Painted console
6) OEM spacers
This is all quality stuff .
plus the car has all the goodies out of the box
full leather, pdk, chrono , nav, bose .. etc etc
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So true....
Keep in mind that crossing the line into software upgrades does basically void your warranty. A lot of Porsche dealers will turn a blind eye to basic exhaust and suspension mods but draw the line at messing with the ECU. From what I have seen, a lot of dealers are clever at arguing why changes in the ECU can effect just about anything.
Jason
Keep in mind that crossing the line into software upgrades does basically void your warranty. A lot of Porsche dealers will turn a blind eye to basic exhaust and suspension mods but draw the line at messing with the ECU. From what I have seen, a lot of dealers are clever at arguing why changes in the ECU can effect just about anything.
Jason
Take yoir car to the average joe and he may not even be in business -but he may have given a great price .
Take the car to a reputable tuner and place quality prodicts on it and you may pay a bit more but when and if a problem arises they will be there for you .
Also --everything in life is about building relationships . I honestly do believe that I will get the Gt3 and that the experience will be a really good one.
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But I think you are going to struggle to get your money back on the mods. If you do sell I would take the Damptronics and Exhaust off and sell them on their own. I dont think you will be able to market "off the shelf" mods the same you could a full F77 package or a Techart GT package.
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[QUOTE, I love the stiffer/solid ride my Damptronics can provide because I know how well the suspension works on the track.
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That is your reasons and I undestand it as it relates to you but not everyone thinks the same . There are those who customize a car and never even drive it at all . Then theres someone like me who drives it on rare occasions for my own appreciation of it .
A car may have a specific track pupose but it also can be viewed as art . it just depends on how one views and we are all different . Theres no right or wrong way to have an opinion as long as a person is enjoying his car .
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That is your reasons and I undestand it as it relates to you but not everyone thinks the same . There are those who customize a car and never even drive it at all . Then theres someone like me who drives it on rare occasions for my own appreciation of it .
A car may have a specific track pupose but it also can be viewed as art . it just depends on how one views and we are all different . Theres no right or wrong way to have an opinion as long as a person is enjoying his car .
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Where the warranty ends is where the tuner stands behind that product .
Take yoir car to the average joe and he may not even be in business -but he may have given a great price .
Take the car to a reputable tuner and place quality prodicts on it and you may pay a bit more but when and if a problem arises they will be there for you .
Also --everything in life is about building relationships . I honestly do believe that I will get the Gt3 and that the experience will be a really good one.
Take yoir car to the average joe and he may not even be in business -but he may have given a great price .
Take the car to a reputable tuner and place quality prodicts on it and you may pay a bit more but when and if a problem arises they will be there for you .
Also --everything in life is about building relationships . I honestly do believe that I will get the Gt3 and that the experience will be a really good one.
As for a warranty vs. tuner. The problem you are going to have is if something like your PASM starts acting up. The dealer is not going to cover it because they are going to blame the Damptronics. Bilstein wont cover it because the problem is in the car and not their product. Your "Tuner/Installer" might cover it if they realize they did perform the install correctly but it could just be a faulty part that you now have to pay for because nobody is willing to, or required to shoulder the blame.
Obviously this is worst case. Some dealers are very mod friendly while others are not. Socal Porsche dealers are hit and miss and I am sure the same can be said for Southern Florida. Every dealer and tuner is going to handle the situation differently. But, to anyone reading this I would be prepared for the worst and understand you may be paying out of pocket for future failures.
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The problem you are going to have is if something like your PASM starts acting up. The dealer is not going to cover it because they are going to blame the Damptronics
That's why its so important to pick those who have both talent and professionalism .
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That is your reasons and I undestand it as it relates to you but not everyone thinks the same . There are those who customize a car and never even drive it at all . Then theres someone like me who drives it on rare occasions for my own appreciation of it .
A car may have a specific track pupose but it also can be viewed as art . it just depends on how one views and we are all different . Theres no right or wrong way to have an opinion as long as a person is enjoying his car .
A car may have a specific track pupose but it also can be viewed as art . it just depends on how one views and we are all different . Theres no right or wrong way to have an opinion as long as a person is enjoying his car .
Nope, you just have no idea what you are missing out on! I see your point of view because I do think my car is a work of art. To be honest I was hesitant to go to the track more because I did not want to ruin my beautiful baby in some way. But realize now that was a little silly. Having now been to the track I also see the other side as well and boy has a new world opened up for me.
I am itching to get back to the track and experience more. I used to get my jollies on fun on ramps and twisty back roads. And these are still fun but feel somewhat muted, tame, or maybe childish now that I have truly pushed the envelope a little more.
Jason
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[QUOTE][Obviously this is worst case. Some dealers are very mod friendly while others are not. Socal Porsche dealers are hit and miss and I am sure the same can be said for Southern Florida. Every dealer and tuner is going to handle the situation differently. But, to anyone reading this I would be prepared for the worst and understand you may be paying out of pocket for future failures. /QUOTE]
The tuner does not own the car .
The dealership does not own the car .
The owner is the one who has his name on the title .
whether his car is bone stock or highly modded .. how he gets things fixed falls on him . It's his ability to work with others and select honest profesiuonals that make it all happen .
The tuner does not own the car .
The dealership does not own the car .
The owner is the one who has his name on the title .
whether his car is bone stock or highly modded .. how he gets things fixed falls on him . It's his ability to work with others and select honest profesiuonals that make it all happen .
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My first set of Cats on my WC exhaust were faulty and GMG replaced them no questions asked.
So I know what your saying. I also know that things do not always work out this way and that really I have just been lucky!
I know some horror stories that should have been clear cut but its not my place to discuss them here. Just warning those that read this thread that even if you buy the best parts, work with the best tuners, and have an awesome relationship with your dealer..... Sh%t still happens
Jason